cmotherofpirl Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 29 2004, 04:24 AM'] I see, but that was where I was going with scandal. Is it not a scandal to compromise the Catholic Faith in order to be ecumenical? Also, did he not make an [i]Ex Cathedra [/i]statement in [i]Ordinatio Sacerdotalis[/i] or is this simply a statement affirming a previous [i]Ex Cathedra [/i]pronouncement? [/quote] Do you think its a bit silly for you to sniff out scandal because the Holy Father doesn't use the royal we? Do you think he has a few more important things to think about?
CreepyCrawler Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 what do you mean 'he wasn't crowned?' crowned as what?
CatholicforChrist Posted October 29, 2004 Author Posted October 29, 2004 Cmom, if you are not going to contribute anything, please don't post at all. Thanks. You did not address the issue as to why he does not use we (which was not established definitively as being the "royal we"--as I said, I thought it had to do with the guidance of the Holy Ghost; if he is intentionally not using this to appease schismatics, then it would seem he is intentionally down-playing the authority of the Papacy, which is mock humility, cf., St. Cyril of Jerusalem). Further, you simply discarded the entire discussion based on no evidence. I have no problem with you making comments, but please do not just take up space with empty words. Thanks, again. Creepy, the Pope being crowned refers the the Papal Coronation, which occurs once the next Pope has been selected. One of the Popes after Vatican II (or it might have been John XXIII, so that would be before Vat II) stopped the Papal Coronation. It might have just been this Pope, or it could have been Paul VI. I am pretty sure it was not John Paul I. In any event, this current Pope, at least, has not been crowned. By the way, does anyone know any details on how the Papal Coronation works? Who crowns him? Who was the first Pope to receive the coronation?
qfnol31 Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 Actually, I'm pretty sure it was John Paul I who started it. I'll look it up though.
Guest Aluigi Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 no it was definitely either Paul VI or John XXIII
cmotherofpirl Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 (edited) [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 29 2004, 02:16 PM'] Cmom, if you are not going to contribute anything, please don't post at all. Thanks. You did not address the issue as to why he does not use we (which was not established definitively as being the "royal we"--as I said, I thought it had to do with the guidance of the Holy Ghost; if he is intentionally not using this to appease schismatics, then it would seem he is intentionally down-playing the authority of the Papacy, which is mock humility, cf., St. Cyril of Jerusalem). Further, you simply discarded the entire discussion based on no evidence. I have no problem with you making comments, but please do not just take up space with empty words. Thanks, again. Creepy, the Pope being crowned refers the the Papal Coronation, which occurs once the next Pope has been selected. One of the Popes after Vatican II (or it might have been John XXIII, so that would be before Vat II) stopped the Papal Coronation. It might have just been this Pope, or it could have been Paul VI. I am pretty sure it was not John Paul I. In any event, this current Pope, at least, has not been crowned. By the way, does anyone know any details on how the Papal Coronation works? Who crowns him? Who was the first Pope to receive the coronation? [/quote] rofll You are taking up space looking for scandal on the Holy Father. You are judging the Holy Father by saying he is evidencing mock humility to apprease the trads. And you wonder why you got a phishy title? Edited October 29, 2004 by cmotherofpirl
qfnol31 Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 Cmom, where is CatholicforChrist looking for scandal? His post seemed complete curiousity to me more than anything. Nothing was condescending in his posts.
Theoketos Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 I think this is a great lesson in the spring time of evangelization. Looking at the Pope's methods is a good way to see Christ working through him. CforC thanks for the open attitude. I think Zachery has done an excellent job explaining the humility behind the actions.
Mary's Knight, La Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 29 2004, 12:16 AM'] Also, is that the appropriate time to be humble, when acting as the Supreme Head of the Church? [/quote] I figured someone else would point this out but as I missed it if anyone did... DUH!!!!!!! that's exactly the time when He needs to be humble. If he is anything but humble when acting in this capacity there would be much trouble for the church. Being head of the church isn't about his power, it's about being absolutely humble enough to rely on God for everything
Guest Aluigi Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 yeah, you've heard what Jesus said to the Apostles about whoever was greatest among them would be the servant of all, right? That's why the Pope has had the traditional title "servant of the servants of God"
StColette Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 Mk:9:35: 35 (9-34) And sitting down, he called the twelve and saith to them: If any man desire to be first, he shall be the last of all and be minister of all. hehe for Biblical support
Guest Aluigi Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 Douay Reihms, [i]The Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew [/i]Chapter XX, Verses xxvi-xxvii It shall not be so among you: but whosoever is the greater among you, let him be your minister. And he that will be first among you shall be your servant
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 29 2004, 08:28 PM'] Cmom, where is CatholicforChrist looking for scandal? His post seemed complete curiousity to me more than anything. Nothing was condescending in his posts. [/quote] this attitude disturbs me: "seem he is intentionally down-playing the authority of the Papacy, which is mock humility" Its the attitude of always looking to find what the Holy Father is doing wrong, instead of assuming the Holy Spirit is in charge until proven otherwise.
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 He doesn't want to be. Its a tradition not a condition of being Pope. They also retired the tiara used by the Popes.
StColette Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Oct 30 2004, 12:17 PM'] Douay Reihms, [i]The Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew [/i]Chapter XX, Verses xxvi-xxvii It shall not be so among you: but whosoever is the greater among you, let him be your minister. And he that will be first among you shall be your servant [/quote] I tend to like the verse in Mk 9 better because it emphasizes something about the Pope, "... be minister of all."
qfnol31 Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 29 2004, 12:16 PM'] I thought it had to do with the guidance of the Holy Ghost... [/quote] I think you're exactly right. I think many things the Pope does is guided by the Holy Spirit. Ahh, I think I found the information regarding the first Pope to do so. It was John Paul I because Paul VI supposedly sold the crown.
cmotherofpirl Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 THe crown resides in the Vatican. It was certainly not sold.
qfnol31 Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 LoL, I know. I was ripping on the site I found the information from (not loyal to the Magesterium I believe). I didn't like the site very much...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 31 2004, 08:29 AM'] THe crown resides in the Vatican. It was certainly not sold. [/quote] word. it wasn't sold, i even have a picture of it :king:
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