Geocentrism

[popestpiusx]

One place to start (though it is more focused on evolution) is this:
[url="http://www.kolbecenter.org/"]http://www.kolbecenter.org/[/url]

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 4 2004, 11:56 AM'] This is an unfair generalization don't ya think? [/quote]
No, not according to the neo-cons. You can say "trads" (w/a neg connotation) all you want--it's so typical of neo-cons, but if you say neo-con, then you are warned, etc., which probably will be seen with this post being edited for using neo-con. Then again, they may just leave in order to "disprove" what I'm saying... who knows. It's all a bunch of politics... just like the liberasl media pushing their agenda, the neo-cons are always out pushing theirs (the only difference is that at least the lib media accepts what is MORE lib than they are, while the neo-cons refuse to listen to anything more conservative than they are...)

Anyway, that's pretty off-topic, but as far as geocentrism, I wiould suggest reading Robert Sungenis.

[cmotherofpirl]

Robert Sungenis is a bit off the wall, don't you think?

Crusader I don't recall anyone tying you to a computer and forcing you to post here.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 4 2004, 12:56 PM'] This is an unfair generalization don't ya think? [/quote]
Yes it is.
There are wacky people in all categories of life.

[qfnol31]

To the question about trads, neo-cons, etc., etc., etc., I prefer heteronomous, autonomous, participative theonomous.

[qfnol31]

Anyone read Copernicus or Galileo here?

[Theoketos]

Ok thats about all I can take...

I am sending a rocket into space and will take a picture of the Galaxy from far enough away so that we can see the planets going around the sun.

O wait, NASA already did that.

Good God have mercy on us!

I can not wait till we have to explain our selves and the message of Christ to Aliens...

[Theoketos]

I have read both Cap and Gal.

[Guest Aluigi]

lol dope theotokos! though i think you mean solar system not galaxy, they don't have the ability to get out of the galaxy yet.

they have the Hubble Space Telescope

[Socrates]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 5 2004, 01:38 PM'] No, not according to the neo-cons. You can say "trads" (w/a neg connotation) all you want--it's so typical of neo-cons, but if you say neo-con, then you are warned, etc., which probably will be seen with this post being edited for using neo-con. Then again, they may just leave in order to "disprove" what I'm saying... who knows. It's all a bunch of politics... just like the liberasl media pushing their agenda, the neo-cons are always out pushing theirs (the only difference is that at least the lib media accepts what is MORE lib than they are, while the neo-cons refuse to listen to anything more conservative than they are...)

Anyway, that's pretty off-topic, but as far as geocentrism, I wiould suggest reading Robert Sungenis. [/quote]
Lighten y'all!

That was a sort of facetious statement on my part, sorry if it offended anybody!

I've got nothing against Trads - (I know they're not all geocentrists!) - just the ones that are excessively judgmental and call those faithful to the Pope "neo-cons." This whole "neo-con" business is a lot of scurrilous, misleading nonsense.

[Socrates]

There was a great cover story in the World Weekly News years back about how the Hubble Telescope found Heaven. Said my theology teacher, "I love those guys - it's incredible how they can pack so much nonsense into such a small space!"

[Theoketos]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 5 2004, 07:52 PM'] lol dope theotokos! though i think you mean solar system not galaxy, they don't have the ability to get out of the galaxy yet.

they have the Hubble Space Telescope [/quote]
I think it was "Voyager," and it will get there eventually...
















































































































...in a about a billion years...

[Benedict]

Gary Hoge and Ken Cole have pretty much refuted Mr. Sungenis' arguments in favor of geocentrism.

I am not a physicist but have put considerable study into it as part of my major and for my work as a physics mentor for the science department at my school. While the particulars of some of the astronomic phenomena escape me, the physical theory and explanation by Mr. Sungenis is not sound and that has been amply and repeated shown at Catholic Outlook.

Does it prove a heliocentric universe? No. Does it disprove geocentrism? It has so far refuted each argument brought forth in favor of it.

[popestpiusx]

I am not sure about Sungenis' theories. I have not read his stuf, but there are a number of scientists, physicists, geologists etc. who have complied a ton of evidence in favor of geocentrism. Again, I am not claiming to be a geocentrist. That would require me to understand it, which I cannnot really claim sufficiently. I am convinced, however, that it is difficult if not impossible for either side to actually prove that they are correct.

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 8 2004, 04:17 PM'] I am not sure about Sungenis' theories. I have not read his stuf, but there are a number of scientists, physicists, geologists etc. who have complied a ton of evidence in favor of geocentrism. Again, I am not claiming to be a geocentrist. That would require me to understand it, which I cannnot really claim sufficiently. I am convinced, however, that it is difficult if not impossible for either side to actually prove that they are correct. [/quote]
Therefore, it would only make sense to not to believe heliocentrism, as the Church has constantly taught at least in a fallible way, Geocentrism, and She censored Galileo on the basis that what he wrote seemed to contradict Scripture. If heliocentrism is not proved, it is only logical to stick to what has always been believed: geocentrism.

[qfnol31]

[quote]Therefore, it would only make sense to not to believe heliocentrism, as the Church has constantly taught at least in a fallible way, Geocentrism, and She censored Galileo on the basis that what he wrote seemed to contradict Scripture. If heliocentrism is not proved, it is only logical to stick to what has always been believed: geocentrism.[/quote]

I think with "consubstantiation" Galileo had more than enough reason to be persecuted. In this case, you'd have a mess to go after him with "consubstantiation." Doesn't the Church hold a heliocentric view for the last few hundred years?

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 8 2004, 04:52 PM']
I think with "consubstantiation" Galileo had more than enough reason to be persecuted. In this case, you'd have a mess to go after him with "consubstantiation." Doesn't the Church hold a heliocentric view for the last few hundred years? [/quote]
The Church doesn't speak on the issue.

And there are a lot of things Galileo did: not only did he publish his information (whihc was far from proven and the Church had refused him the righ to do so), he did so stating it as a fact instead of as a possibility, again, against the Church. On top of that, the whole thing was based around two unnamed characters: the heliocentrist (clearly Galileo), and the "idiot", who was the geocentrist, and who Galileo made clear to be the Pope, as on the last page the "idiot" said something the Pope was quoted as saying. Of course, that again is against the Church.

There were a lot of reasons to persecute him, not only the fact that he propagated the heliocentric view, which as the Church said, seems to contradict Scripture.

And, no, the Church does not speak declaratively on helio/geo. If anything, the declaration that helio seems to contradict the Bible is all you have, and that is a lot stronger language than a lot of things people on this forum say are "binding" from the Pope.