Fight the REAL enemy

[Anna]

For those of you who think that Senator Arlen Specter is seriously pro-abortion and will reject pro-life nominees to the Supreme Court, please take a look at what his recent challenger had to say: [url="http://www.hoeffelforsenate.com/issues/choicecomparison.cfm"]http://www.hoeffelforsenate.com/issues/choicecomparison.cfm[/url]

Consider that the quotes or misquotes attributed to him by one single reporter have been denied by him, and that the reporter is married to a top Democratic party operative and manager of the Kerry bid for the White House. Could she possibly be writing this story with a little [i]bias? [/i]
Could she possibly want to damage the pro-life cause, and de-rail the Republican stronghold in Washington?

Could she be striking at the Republicans' achilles heel, using the party's own greatest weapon, Pro-Life Christians?

Seems she's a one-woman American version of Al Quaeda, hijacking the pro-life movement and commandiering it right into the faces of the new Republican administration.

Don't let her use you like that. Do your research, and trust Bush and the Christian Republicans we elected to bring Specter fully onboard with the pro-life cause. Don't cast him to the liberals! Senator Specter isn't truly one of them. We need his vote and support, which we'll not get by condemning the man.

I deeply regret the scandal, calumny, and detraction he has suffered at the hands of Christians this week, because of a single slanted article by a leftist reporterette.

Edited November 6, 2004 by Anna

[Anna]

So, then WHO IS the real enemy?

Well, the pro-abort factions, NOW, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, their ignorant accomplices, and their not-so-ignorant supporters ~ the Hollywood left and the liberal media!

Here's what President Bush said to the media after his election in a press conference. It's rich! I love how, maintaining his gentlemanly composure, he told them that they're beady-eyed skeptics who exacerbate bitterness and divisiveness, making it difficult to govern! Yes, the media is a very BIG part of the morality problem here in America.

[color=green]And so I'm optimistic. You covered me when I was the governor of Texas. I told you that I was going to do that as a governor. There was probably [b]skepticism in your beady eyes [/b]there. (Laughter.) But you might remember -- you might remember, we did -- we were able to accomplish a lot by -- and Washington is different from Austin, no question about it. Washington -- [b]one of the disappointments of being here in Washington is how bitter this town can become and how divisive. I'm not blaming one party or the other. It's just the reality of Washington, D.C., sometimes exacerbated by you, because it's great sport. It's really -- it's entertaining for some. It also makes is difficult to govern at times.[/b]
But nevertheless, my commitment is there. I fully -- [b]now more seasoned to Washington, I've cut my political eye-teeth[/b], at least the ones I've recently grown here in Washington. And so [b]I'm aware of what can happen in this town[/b]. But nevertheless, having said that, I am fully prepared to work with both Republican and Democrat leadership to advance an agenda that I think makes a big difference for the country.

Listen, thank you all. I look forward to working with you. I've got a question for you. How many of you are going to be here for a second term? Please raise your hand. (Laughter.)

Good. [b]Gosh, we're going to have a lot of fun, then[/b]. Thank you all.[/color]

Let the good times roll, Mr. President! You certainly showed off your pearly white political eye teeth, and your detractors must've felt the bite! :peace:

Edited November 6, 2004 by Anna

[cmotherofpirl]

Amen
AMen
AMEn
AMEN
AMEN!
Sing it over!

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Anna' date='Nov 6 2004, 12:35 PM'] For those of you who think that Senator Arlen Specter is seriously pro-abortion and will reject pro-life nominees to the Supreme Court, please take a look at what his recent challenger had to say: [/quote]
The only reason I would say so is CINLife right now holds it to be true...

[qfnol31]

[quote]That won't happen if Senator Arlen Specter is the chairman.[/quote]

So does LifeNews

[Good Friday]

I hate to burst y'all's partisan little bubble, but Arlen Specter is PRO-ABORTION. In 2000, he voted the way NARAL Pro-Choice America wanted him to 90% of the time -- that means 90% of the time, he cast votes that contributed to the murder of the unborn. How much more pro-abortion do you get? In 2001-2002, Specter received a 0% rating from National Right to Life. What does this all add up to? It adds up to the fact that over the course of three years, (2000, 2001 and 2002), Arlen Specter voted [b]FOR[/b] the unborn a [b]MAXIMUM[/b] of 10% of the time.

Is this really acceptable to you? Because I've got news for you: there are Democrats who vote more consistently pro-life than Specter does. Sen. Tom Daschle has voted more pro-life than Specter has. The problem here is partisanship. It's a mortal sin to support Arlen Specter in the way that y'all have been doing it. Now go to Confession.

[Guest Aluigi]

even though the wind is blowin spector towards supporting pro-life judges, there are others with more solid and dependible positions of supporting pro-life judges, and thus spector is justly considered part of the enemy.

[Guest Aluigi]

OPPOSE SPECTOR

seriously, let's make certain the judiciary committee will be supporting Bush's judges, not deciding whether or not to do so based on the latest poll. Spector is pro-abortion, and it's likely when he realizes that the highest court in the land would be key to defending abortion righs he will no longer simply blow with the political wind, but oppose pro-life judges.

can you honestly tell me there's a low possibility that he would oppose Bush's judges? I think it's very possible that he would.

[Good Friday]

[quote name='Aluigi']can you honestly tell me there's a low possibility that he would oppose Bush's judges? I think it's very possible that he would.[/quote]
You're right. The statistics over the past [b]seven years[/b] certainly support the conclusion that Arlen Specter is, shall we say, less than reliable on abortion issues!

[Anna]

Specter is not pro-life.
Neither is he pro-abortion.
He is a fence sitter, imho, and does what is politically expedient.
Because he was opposed by NARAL this year (with a 21% rating) and therefore elected by those who value life more than abortion, he owes the Pro-Abort crowd nothing, and he owes the pro-lifers his loyalty.
Will he be loyal?
He says he will on his website.

I'm not a mindreader, nor a Republican croney, I simply feel that there are still enough Democrats to fillibuster, and would like to keep Specter on our side.

Yes, there are others out there FAR, FAR more pro-life than Specter, both Rep & Dem!

So, I guess everyone should follow his conscience on this one. Pray and then do what you feel is best.

[Sinner]

Sorry Anna.......... this war has no gray area. SPECTER MUST GO.

[Anna]

Go where?

We on the right cast him aside...he has nowhere to go but LEFT.
We lose his vote, his potential support.

Speaking in principle, I wouldn't want to do business with the guy.
Speaking as a political reality, he has just been elected to another six year term, and we'd better learn how to handle him to keep him voting WITH US, not against us.

It takes 60 votes to confirm a Supreme Court Justice nominee.
We've got 47 pro-life senators who will support a pro-life Justice nominee.
We've got 4 "mixed on the life issue" senators who will probably support a pro-life nominee.
We've got 2 "mixed" senators who may or may not support a pro-life nominee. (Specter is one.)
We've got 5 "mixed" senators who will not support a pro-life nominee.
We've got 2 pro-abortion senators who may or may not support a pro-life nominee.
We've got 39 pro-abortion senators who will not support a pro-life nominee.
And we've got 1 pro-life senator who will not support a pro-life nominee.

This political analysis was provided by a respected, pro-life Catholic who has been tracking the senators' voting records and statements for a good long time. I believe it to be accurate.

Before casting aside someone who might just help the babies, or could make a devastating enemy, you'd better do the math. Politics are tricky. We could very well wind up needing Specter's support.

I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Specter isn't great, but he is not a total lost cause...yet...(imho)

I think people who don't acquaint themselves with the political process and then try to pressure their representatives are about as dangerous as those who go to the polls and vote without acquainting themselves of the issues.

I recommend becoming fully informed about the Judicial nomination/confirmation process and where we all stand right now, before shooting ourselves in the foot.

God Bless. <><

[JP2Iloveyou]

Anna, would you care to name some names on who those senators are that you are talking about? My focus of my political science degree has been the U.S. Senate and I can't think of one "pro-life" Senator who would not support a pro-life judge. I suspect you are talking about Harry Reid, but I'm not really sure. PM me if you want.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Anna' date='Nov 6 2004, 05:40 PM'] Specter is not pro-life.
Neither is he pro-abortion.
[/quote]
????

Not pro-life IS pro-abortion. Specter is pro-abortion. He has a voting record nearly identical to that of Ted Kennedy with only very few exceptions. He must go.

We must oppose Specter. He may not be the enemy incarnate, but he is vertainly in bed with them.

[url="http://www.notspecter.com/"]http://www.notspecter.com/[/url]

[BLAZEr]

[quote name='Anna' date='Nov 7 2004, 04:33 PM'] Go where?

We on the right cast him aside...he has nowhere to go but LEFT. 
We lose his vote, his potential support.

Speaking in principle, I wouldn't want to do business with the guy.
Speaking as a political reality, he has just been elected to another six year term, and we'd better learn how to handle him to keep him voting WITH US, not against us.

It takes 60 votes to confirm a Supreme Court Justice nominee. 
We've got 47 pro-life senators who will support a pro-life Justice nominee.
We've got 4 "mixed on the life issue" senators who will probably support a pro-life nominee.
We've got 2 "mixed" senators who may or may not support a pro-life nominee. (Specter is one.)
We've got 5 "mixed" senators who will not support a pro-life nominee.
We've got 2 pro-abortion senators who may or may not support a pro-life nominee.
We've got 39 pro-abortion senators who will not support a pro-life nominee.
And we've got 1 pro-life senator who will not support a pro-life nominee.

This political analysis was provided by a respected, pro-life Catholic who has been tracking the senators' voting records and statements for a good long time.  I believe it to be accurate.

Before casting aside someone who might just help the babies, or could make a devastating enemy, you'd better do the math.  Politics are tricky.  We could very well wind up needing Specter's support.

I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Specter isn't great, but he is not a total lost cause...yet...(imho)

I think people who don't acquaint themselves with the political process and then try to pressure their representatives are about as dangerous as those who go to the polls and vote without acquainting themselves of the issues.

I recommend becoming fully informed about the Judicial nomination/confirmation process and where we all stand right now, before shooting ourselves in the foot.

God Bless. <>< [/quote]
Specter already votes against us. He is the reason that Judge Bork isn't on the Supreme Court.

He does not support pro-life judges. He is a Republican in name only. He votes "somewhat prolife" only every 5 years . . . that is, in preparation for re-election.

He must go.

And can you get the names on your little senatorial breakdown. Because when I run the numbers, I don't get what you get.

Who is the Pro-life Senator who won't vote for a pro-life judge?

And besides, it only takes 51 votes to approve a justice to the supreme court, or any other court. The 60 comes from the fact that it takes 60 votes to end debate, therefore, someone opposing a judge can fillibuster the nomination.

HOWEVER . . . don't think that the little pro-life senator chart will be effective in this debate. It is a totally different break down as to who will or will not vote on a motion of cloture (motion to end debate).

So, imho, whoever wrote that analysis isn't as smart as they think they are.

[popestpiusx]

Well said, Blazer!

[Anna]

I'll provide the list for you, but it'll just take me a little while. The Senators were broken down into color-coded categories, which don't transfer in color on this phorum...So I have to go down through all 100 of them and type in the category into which they were placed.

No need to shoot the messenger. I am simply trying to provide my thought process for not wanting move ahead hastily, thereby perhaps winning a battle but losing the war. My goal is overturn Roe. If we need Specter to come onboard to achieve that, then I don't want to alienate him from his party members at this point. You folks keep pointing to his past sins (and they are horrendous and numerous!) but you don't acknowledge the many times that Specter has sided with his party, such as the 100 nominees to the federal bench by Bush, all of which Specter has supported (as sited by JP2Iloveyou in another related thread).

For you, it's either black or white. He is either for us or against us. Sorry, it isn't that simple. In politics, there is much grey. There is compromising and deal making and negotiating, political favors and paybacks and a good ol' boy network that those who aren't insiders aren't privvy to. Bush, Cheney, and Santorum all campaigned for Specter, and I don't think they did that to have us shoot him down once they got him on their good side, so to speak.

Please stop the adnauseam 1980's Bork incident. I know already. I've looked up his Senate voting record, and I agree with you that he is a rat fink, ok. Nobody said we have to like the guy. We just have to get him to vote for the babies. Apparently Bush, Cheney, and Santorum believed he would. Do I know more than those three? Nope. Do you guys?

[Anna]

You're a good guesser, JP2Iloveyou! Yep, that questionable pro-lifer is Nevada Democrat, Harry Reid.
Check your private messages...

Pax Christi,
Anna <><

[Anna]

Here is the list, state by state, citing each Senator's pro-life stance based upon voting record. Political affiliation is in (parantheses) followed by their projected vote should a pro-life justice be nominated.

AL
Pro-life Jeff Sessions ® Definite Yes
Pro-life Richard Shelby ® Definite Yes

AK
Mixed Lisa Murkowski ® Maybe Yes
Mixed Ted Stevens ® Probably Yes

AZ
Pro-life Jon Kyl ® Definite Yes
Pro-life John McCain ® Definite Yes

AR
Mixed Mark Pryor (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Blanche Lincoln (D) Definite No


CA
Pro-Abortion Barbara Boxer (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Dianne Feinstein (D) Definite No


CO
Pro-life Wayne Allard ® Definite Yes
Pro-Abortion Ken Salazar (D) Definite No


CT
Pro-Abortion Christopher Dodd (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Joseph Lieberman (D)Definite No

DE
Pro-Abortion Joseph Biden (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Thomas Carper (D)Definite No


FL
Pro-life Mel Martinez ®Definite Yes

Pro-Abortion Bill Nelson (D)Definite No

GA
Pro-life Saxby Chambliss ®Definite Yes

Mixed Johnny Isakson ®Probably Yes

HI
Pro-Abortion Daniel Akaka (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Daniel Inouye (D)Definite No

ID
Pro-life Larry Craig ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Mike Crapo ®Definite Yes


IL
Pro-Abortion Richard Durbin (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Barack Obama (D)Definite No

IN
Pro-Abortion Evan Bayh (D) Definite No
Pro-life Richard Lugar ®Definite Yes


IA
Pro-life Chuck Grassley ® Definite Yes

Pro-Abortion Tom Harkin (D)Definite No


KS
Pro-life Sam Brownback ® Definite Yes

Pro-life Pat Roberts ®Definite Yes


KY
Pro-life Jim Bunning ® Definite Yes

Pro-life Mitch McConnell ®Definite Yes



LA
Pro-life John Vitter ® Definite Yes

Pro-Choice Mary Landrieu (D)Definite No

ME
Pro-Abortion Susan Collins ® Maybe Yes
Pro-Abortion Olympia Snowe ® Maybe Yes


MD
Pro-Abortion Barbara Mikulski (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Paul Sarbanes (D)Definite No


MA
Pro-Abortion Edward Kennedy (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion John Kerry (D)Definite No


MI
Pro-Abortion Carl Levin (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Debbie Stabenow (D)Definite No

MN
Pro-Abortion Mark Dayton (D)Definite No
Pro-life Norm Coleman ®Definite Yes


MS
Pro-life Thad Cochran ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Trent Lott ®Definite Yes


MO
Pro-life Christopher Bond ® Definite Yes

Pro-life Jim Talent ®Definite Yes


MT
Pro-Abortion Max Baucus (D) Definite No
Pro-life Conrad Burns ®Definite Yes

NE
Pro-life Charles Hagel ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Ben Nelson (D)Definite Yes



NV
Pro-life John Ensign ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Harry Reid (D) Definite No

NH
Pro-life Judd Gregg ®Definite Yes

Pro-life John E. Sununu ®Definite Yes


NJ
Pro-Abortion Jon Corzine (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Frank R. Lautenberg (D) Definite No

NM
Pro-Abortion Jeff Bingaman (D) Definite No
Pro-life Pete Domenici ®Definite Yes


NY
Pro-Abortion Hillary Clinton (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Charles Schumer (D) Definite No

NC
Pro-life Richard Burr ®Definite Yes

mixed? Elizabeth H. Dole ®Probably Yes

ND
Mixed-Choice Kent Conrad (D)Definite No

Mixed-Choice Byron Dorgan (D)Definite No

OH
Pro-life Mike DeWine ®Definite Yes

Pro-life George Voinovich ®Definite Yes


OK
Pro-life James Inhofe ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Tom Coburn ®Definite Yes


OR
Pro-life Gordon Smith ®Definite Yes

Pro-Abortion Ron Wyden (D) Definite No

PA
Pro-life Rick Santorum ®Definite Yes

Mixed Arlen Specter ®Maybe Yes

RI
Pro-Abortion Lincoln Chafee ® Definite No
Pro-Abortion Jack Reed (D) Definite No


SC
Pro-life Jim DeMint ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Lindsey Graham ®Definite Yes


SD
Pro-life John Thune ®Definite Yes

Mixed Tim Johnson (D)Definite No


TN
Pro-life William Frist ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Lamar Alexander ®Definite Yes


TX
Pro-life John Cornyn ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Kay Bailey Hutchison ®Definite Yes


UT
Pro-life Robert Bennett ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Orrin Hatch ®Definite Yes


VT
Pro-Abortion James Jeffords (I) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Patrick Leahy (D) Definite No

VA
Pro-life George Allen ®Definite Yes

Mixed John Warner ®Probably Yes
WA
Pro-Abortion Maria Cantwell (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Patty Murray (D) Definite No

WV
Mixed-Choice Robert Byrd (D)Definite No

Pro-Abortion John Rockefeller (D) Definite No

WI
Pro-Abortion Russell Feingold (D) Definite No
Pro-Abortion Herb Kohl (D) Definite No

WY
Pro-life Mike Enzi ®Definite Yes

Pro-life Craig Thomas ®Definite Yes


Totals:

Pro-life and will vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 47 Senators

Mixed and probably will vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 4 Senators

Mixed and may or may not vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 2 Senators

Mixed and will not vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 5 Senators

Pro-abortion and may or may not vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 2 Senators

Pro-abortion and will not vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 39 Senators

Pro-life and will not vote for pro-life Supreme Court nominees: 1 Senator

[toledo_jesus]

read in the news today that Sen. Specter has come out and said that he will apply no litmus test in regards to the pro-life judges, nor will he block them based on that...
according to CBS:

[i]However, on Thursday Specter refuted these remarks, saying, "Contrary to press accounts, I did not warn the president about anything and was very respectful of his constitutional authority on the appointment of federal judges.

"As the record shows, I have supported every one of President Bush's nominees in the Judiciary Committee and on the Senate floor. I have never and would never apply any litmus test on the abortion issue..." Specter added.[/i]

However, the concern appears to remain that he cannot be trusted with this responsibility based on his past...