Heretics

[Guest Aluigi]

i don't think there's any crusades comin up in the near future my friend...

exactly what are you telling us to bring on?

[noncatholicname]

You want the infidels dead. I'm an infidel. 2+2=what?

[Guest Aluigi]

i don't want the infidels dead. i want them converted.

but if they were putting me in danger and self defense demanded their death, yeah sure. kinda like how before the crusades Christians were being persecuted in the Holy Land and the Church called a crusade to defend Christendom and Christians. don't forget, the crusades have always been called defending Christendom from agressors. the albigansians were all over France and had torn down social order, didn't believe in morality so they went wild murdering, commiting adultery, et cetera... every time a crusade has been called it has been to defend against agressors.

[Don John of Austria]

Well Aluigi there could be, it wasn't but a few years ago that the bishop of the Sudan called for Aid agianst the Muslims.

NonCatholicname ou aren't an infidel you are a heretic which is an entirely a differant thing, nor are you currently at least physically hostile to the Church or to attacking the faithful so I don't see that you would be in much danger regardless.

Edited November 16, 2004 by Don John of Austria

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Dave' date='Nov 15 2004, 07:31 PM'] Vatican I is a heresy? It's blasphemy to condemn the Church's ecumencial councils, which are inspired by the Holy Spirit and INFALLIBLE! [/quote]
Come now, Dave. Surely you are being facetious. You know as well as anyone on here that he was not accusing Vat. I of heresy.

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Nov 15 2004, 07:04 PM'] Well Aluigi there could be, it wasn't but a few years ago that the bishop of the Sudan called for Aid agianst the Muslims.

NonCatholicname ou aren't an infidel you are a heretic which is an entirely a differant thing, nor are you currently at least physically hostile to the Church or to attacking the faithful so I don't see that you would be in much danger regardless. [/quote]
I'm glad you think that way... NOW. I would only hope that if the day came when they are hauling people off to die for heresy that you would remember what you just said.

[cmotherofpirl]

Its far more likely we will ALL be hauled off together for believing in Jesus Christ.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 15 2004, 09:09 PM'] Its far more likely we will ALL be hauled off together for believing in Jesus Christ. [/quote]
Won't that be a party...

[Dave]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Nov 15 2004, 07:36 PM'] No dave he is saying that since Vatican I it is a heresy ( not just schismatic) to deny the Popes Authority, and therefore the Orthodox Churches are not just Schismatic but Heretical--- he is NOT saying that Vatican I was Heretical. [/quote]
Oops!

My bad ... carry on ...

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 15 2004, 08:13 PM'] Won't that be a party... [/quote]
Another "I don't rep the church"...

[Don John of Austria]

I think Noncatholicname that PopepiusX was being ironic.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 15 2004, 09:39 PM'] Another "I don't rep the church"... [/quote]
Yup. I am not trustworthy.

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[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 15 2004, 10:52 PM'] Yup. I am not trustworthy.

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Lol... I love how when someone who has a "I don't rep the Church" says something the Church teaches, those who oppose the Church (both those who call themselves Catholic and not) say: he has an "I don't rep the Church", so what he says is wrong. I guess since St. Athanasius was excommunicated, what he said was wrong... or even yet: just because Luther was wrong about so much, that doesn't mean he was wrong about everything.

[CatholicCrusader]

Edit... nevermind--thanks Don and PSPX

Edited November 16, 2004 by CatholicCrusader

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 15 2004, 07:59 PM'] i don't want the infidels dead. i want them converted.

but if they were putting me in danger and self defense demanded their death, yeah sure. [/quote]
Exactly--they put thousands of SOULS in danger and self-defense of those souls requires that they be put to death if they refuse to convert. Even if they do not teach it publically, it is a scandal to allow them to continue without a just penalty (death).

[noncatholicname]

Then why don't you all just kill us all and put us out of your misery?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 15 2004, 11:59 PM'] Exactly--they put thousands of SOULS in danger and self-defense of those souls requires that they be put to death if they refuse to convert. Even if they do not teach it publically, it is a scandal to allow them to continue without a just penalty (death). [/quote]
You really work hard to earn your title don't you.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Nov 15 2004, 01:44 PM']
You see I don't care if it will make them more inclined to accept the Faith, I care about telling them the Truth, only if they accept the Truth will they truely accept the Faith. I have no desire to suger coat the Faith to make it more appealing, tell the Truth nothing more nothing less.

Well I found almost every post on this thread insulting, not only personally but to the thousans who have died defending the church from heritics and infidels, not to mention the Magisterium who's past rule everyone here seems more than willing not only to question but openly contradict.





No but it is actually a matter of his tactics not his strategy, He targets civilians intentionally, that is blatently agianst the rules of war, he is a product of modern times and doesn't have the Tradition of the Church to guide him, so I cannot blame him, but no as a Catholic these Tactics would be unacceptable, but blowing up military targets is not, he could have hit the Pentegon, and even the Tower with the Paramilitary government offices in it, but not the other one and not with civilian populated planes.



yes I think it would help the Christians in the Sudan not be forcefully converted( particularly children), and enslaved, same with Christians all over North Africa [/quote]
Well, at least its good that you don't approve of killing civilians.
(I thought if they were heretic or infidel civilians, this wouldn't be a problem.)

Yeah, going around bombing buildings sounds like a great way to spread the Faith (so long as you stick gov't buildings, I guess!)
A bunch of Catholic Osama bin Wannabes blowin' stuff up would be the perfect way to bring the Faith to the world!
(I mean, like after 9-11-01, I really wanted to be Muslim! - Get real!)

I suppose this doesn't matter anyway, since making people inclined to accept the Faith and bringing souls to Christ really isn't important, compared with not compromising one's position on on killing heretics (which is not a dogma of the Church, by the way.)

After all, was Christ concerned with bringing souls to Him or killing unbeleivers? Don't recall Christ killing anyone, or commanding others to kill.

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 16 2004, 10:56 AM'] Well, at least its good that you don't approve of killing civilians.
(I thought if they were heretic or infidel civilians, this wouldn't be a problem.)

Yeah, going around bombing buildings sounds like a great way to spread the Faith (so long as you stick gov't buildings, I guess!)
A bunch of Catholic Osama bin Wannabes blowin' stuff up would be the perfect way to bring the Faith to the world!
(I mean, like after 9-11-01, I really wanted to be Muslim! - Get real!)

I suppose this doesn't matter anyway, since making people inclined to accept the Faith and bringing souls to Christ really isn't important, compared with not compromising one's position on on killing heretics (which is not a dogma of the Church, by the way.)

After all, was Christ concerned with bringing souls to Him or killing unbeleivers? Don't recall Christ killing anyone, or commanding others to kill. [/quote]
Socrates,

Thankyou. Not sure that anyone here cares, but thankyou anyway.

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 16 2004, 07:14 AM'] Then why don't you all just kill us all and put us out of your misery? [/quote]
Because private justice is not a legitimate justice.