Sport Hunting

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 10 2004, 03:27 AM'] Also, try wild boar hunting.  They have the home team advantage and if you make a mistake, you will pay dearly. [/quote]

Ouch! But it's homefield advantage.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:13 PM'] I am curous as to why none of my points were never answered,  what quality is it that makes something " needless" ho is to say what is needless, I have shown fox hunting is in fact not needless, can anyone answer that or do you concede that in fact fox hunting serves a purpose and is thereore not sinful? [/quote]
Hunting skills are inherent in dogs. Believe it or not, dogs are still pretty primal. For example, my dog sometimes sleeps under tables because of her instinct to sleep in den-like spaces. There's no evidence that their senses are declining due to the lack of fox hunting. Plus, there are other ways to keep their senses keen. Since that's the case, fox hunting is unnecessary and immoral nowadays. Dogs were originally bred for specific purposes, and if they're no longer needed for those purposes, what's the point of adhering so strictly to breeding guidelines? To me, that seems needless. It's good that the dogs used for fox hunting had good chasing instincts, but what use is fox hunting to we humans now? To say it's good because it benefits dogs is wrong. The bottom line is that they're no longer of use when it comes to killing foxes, and they never will be again (at least not in the ways they used to be). They're no longer needed now that we have guns, and since guns offer a less painful way for foxes to die, using dogs would be unnecessary.

God bless,

Jennifer

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 30 2004, 01:18 AM'] No, what has happened is that what you are condemning is finally getting more narrow and specific. My point from the beginning has been that you cannot condemn all fox hunting. I still maintain that position. You are now narrowing your condemnation to one specific form of it. Fine and dandy. But I'll say again, not all fox hunting is immoral.

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I don't think all fox hunting would be immoral. For example, I don't think it'd be immoral for dogs to aid humans in finding a fox so that a human could shoot it. But letting dogs chase a fox (that had already been caught) and tear it to pieces would be like letting a cat have its way with an injured bird. If the bird is hurt beyond repair, I'd want the bird to be put out of its misery as quickly as possible. Letting a cat have its way with it would not be putting it out of its misery as quickly as possible, and I think that'd be bad stewardship. Likewise, I think there are better ways to kill foxes. If you're gonna kill it, kill it, and kill it quickly. Don't catch it, release it, and make it run for its life, only to be torn to bits. That's just not necessary.

You mentioned cases where the fox is allowed to live. Honestly, I'm not sure if this would be immoral. If it's immoral, perhaps it's less immoral than allowing dogs to tear the fox apart. I suspect it's immoral because having dogs chase a fox for the heck of it isn't necessary, and it causes a fox to suffer for no reason. All that money for horses, dogs, and hunting expenses would be much better spent feeding the homeless, helping women in crisis pregnancies, etc.

God bless,

Jennifer

[Winchester]

Fox hunts conducted in such a manner are intemperate and not sporting in the least.

Mortal sin? Probably not, but I don't think Jesus is going to slap you on the back and say "good show, old boy on following dogs on your horse and having them rip him apart."

It's wasteful, it's lazy, it's dishonorable.

It's the pursuit of the decadent.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]Hunting skills are inherent in dogs. Believe it or not, dogs are still pretty primal. For example, my dog sometimes sleeps under tables because of her instinct to sleep in den-like spaces. There's no evidence that their senses are declining due to the lack of fox hunting. Plus, there are other ways to keep their senses keen. Since that's the case, fox hunting is unnecessary and immoral nowadays. Dogs were originally bred for specific purposes, and if they're no longer needed for those purposes, what's the point of adhering so strictly to breeding guidelines? To me, that seems needless. It's good that the dogs used for fox hunting had good chasing instincts, but what use is fox hunting to we humans now? To say it's good because it benefits dogs is wrong. The bottom line is that they're no longer of use when it comes to killing foxes, and they never will be again (at least not in the ways they used to be). They're no longer needed now that we have guns, and since guns offer a less painful way for foxes to die, using dogs would be unnecessary.
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BeenaBobba it would be helpful if you read the entire post, I gave very specific reasons for why keeping the Fox Hound's hunting instinct was important to people not to fox hounds. Now that being Said i raised dogs for more than a decade, Including Hunting Dogs, if you don't work Dogs over a period of generations hunting ability is lost, not because they havn't been hunted but because that part of line selection goes out the window and selectionstarts to be made soley on other things, this has happened to numerous breeds of Dogs ( cocker spanials, poodles{ yes they where originally a hunting breed} and Irish setters { although this was somewhat successfully fought by the AKC allowing english setters to be breed into them in the early 60's to get the hunting instinct back) The gun comment is strange because Fox Hunting in it's current form is really only about 250 years old, we have had guns since the beginning of this activity, however often the Dogs do not kill the fox.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]All that money for horses, dogs, and hunting expenses would be much better spent feeding the homeless, helping women in crisis pregnancies, etc.

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So would the money you spent on you computer, TV CD's Stereo, and anthing else you use for entertainment.

[hyperdulia again]

If you eat what you kill it's ok. I don't understand/agree ith the profoxhunting arguments; but I don't think it is really worth all of this. Killroy can I come over for some venison?

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Dec 12 2004, 11:41 PM'] If you eat what you kill it's ok. I don't understand/agree ith the profoxhunting arguments; but I don't think it is really worth all of this. Killroy can I come over for some venison? [/quote]
Shur' 'nuff!