Weird stuff

[Balthazor]

I accidentally came across this site while looking for english and latin prayers......

[url="http://www.truecatholic.org/#siteinfo"]http://www.truecatholic.org/#siteinfo[/url]

Weird. Weird. Weird..... I can't even think of anything to say to this.
I have never heard of this kind of schism.....

Edited November 25, 2004 by Balthazor

[amarkich]

Yeah, I have been there before. There is some good stuff on that one, I think, but you have to be careful (obviously) because of the clear nonsense on it. Anyway, that is the easy way out. To outright condemn everything from John XXIII on is easy; the hard (and truly Catholic) way is to take the problems in the Church and reconcile the teachings of the last few Popes (and Vatican II) with the Tradition of the Church.

Edit: by the way, their 'side-by-side' Latin-to-English of the Old Mass is not the best translation; it is a mix of "yous" and "thys" and a mix of direct, formal translations with indirect, colloquial translations, among other things. The Father Lasance translation can be found on the Una Voce website, here: [url="http://unavoce.org/ttmass.htm"]http://unavoce.org/ttmass.htm[/url]

Edited November 25, 2004 by amarkich

[ironmonk]

I've seen it before also... some people are delusional.

They broke off from the group and try to say that the group broke off from the group... (much like some protestants claim)... simply no logic in their arguements... and they are the only one's calling themselves Catholic.

Very sad.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[homeschoolmom]

[God Conquers]

yep, that group is pretty ridiculous.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Is this the Antipope Pius XIII site?

Edited November 25, 2004 by thedude

[homeschoolmom]

yep...

[conservativecatholic]

I have seen this schismatic group before. They are very weird. lol. Although they have good motives, reforming outside the Church is never the answer. Look at Lutheranism for example. Martin Luther shattered all of Christiandom by shelfishly reforming outside the Church unlike St. Ignatius who reformed Catholcism within the Church.

I would also like to bring up amarkich's comment on Una Voce. You rock Adam! Una Voce is a great Catholic web site that promotes the use of the Tridentine Mass. Check it out! www.unavoce.org. [url="http://www.unavoce.org"]Una Voce[/url]

Edited November 25, 2004 by conservativecatholic

[amarkich]

Thanks for the compliment. I love Una Voce. I also have the Father Lasance Missal; that is the same translation used on the Una Voce website.

[conservativecatholic]

[quote name='amarkich' date='Nov 25 2004, 06:11 PM'] Thanks for the compliment. I love Una Voce. I also have the Father Lasance Missal; that is the same translation used on the Una Voce website. [/quote]
That's awesome. For Mother's Day I gave my mom a Vatican II missal of the vernacular toungue. Maybe for Christmas I should get my Mom the Father Lasance Missal.

Edited November 25, 2004 by conservativecatholic

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Nov 25 2004, 07:26 PM'] That's awesome. For Mother's Day I gave my mom a Vatican II missal of the vernacular toungue. Maybe for Christmas I should get my Mom the Father Lasance Missal. [/quote]
Do that! Maybe you can go to the TLM together

Edited November 26, 2004 by CatholicCrusader

[Dreamweaver]

Ugh! They have a page of the "100 Heresies" of "Antipope" John Paul II! :angry:

[amarkich]

"The spiritual man judgeth all things, but he himself is judged of no man" (I Cor.ii.15), and as such, we cannot deem the Pope to be a heretic (at least by our own authority; this has to be done after his death) nor can we deem him an Antipope. That said, besides the fact that their individual heresies are used under different titles (presumably just to reach the goal of 101 heresies), the actual valid points they make should be taken into account. I came across this website a long time ago when I was still a neo-con (if that) and was attending the New Mass. Late one night, I was reading that list and found myself quite shocked and scandalized by some of the Pope's actions. At the same time, however, I learned much about what the Church actually teaches by seeing the side-by-side comparison of the Pope's actions and the Church's teaching on the other side, so some of the points are quite valid in that list and should be understood properly.

Edited November 26, 2004 by amarkich

[Guest Aluigi]

Una Voce is dope.
[quote]"The International Una Voce Federation has played an important role in supporting the use of the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal in obedience to the directives of the Holy See. For this valuable service I express my gratitude to the members of the Federation and extend my blessing."

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, speaking to the Una Voce Federation,
25 July 1996[/quote]
FSSP rocks [url="http://fssp.org"]http://fssp.org[/url]

"truecatholic.org" is stupid, wierd, irrational, and schismatic. check their translation page, apparently the new official language of the Catholic Church is english for documents, but still Latin for masses! quite a contradiction. They are schismatic from the Tridentine Rite, but nowhere near universal. They are a small group of Americans who prefer a tridentine Mass and don't like the real Pope. compared to them, the SSPX looks sane and in communion. avoid radical insane people such as this unless you're just trying to bring them back to the Church. I consider them worse than protestants because they scandalize the Catholic Church whereas most protestants freely admit not being members.

[nikkan_hanil]

There re a lot of schisms that claim to be Catholic but believe the that the pope's position is vacant since V2. If I'm not mistaken, Mel Gibson was part of one of them...? Sure they may be Catholic in tradition, but not recognizing the Vicar as our leader on Earth? That would be bad.

[amarkich]

Yes, you are mistaken about Mel Gibson. He is a Traditional Catholic. He is not a Sedevacantist, but his father may be. Mel was on Larry King (I believe in 1989) and said that he does not believe that the Novus Ordo Mass is valid. I do not know if he retains this belief today. Either way, he is not a Sedevacantist. He is a Traditional [b]Catholic[/b].

[Guest Aluigi]

Scott Hahn has talked extensively with Mel Gibson and he says Gibson is sedevantacist.

To date there is no quote by him claiming that John Paul II is legitimate, so the best info we have on the subject, a first hand account of discussion with him, says he is most likely sedevanticist

[amarkich]

What discussion? The hearsay from Scott Hahn? That is calumny, not a legitimate source. Scott Hahn telling someone else what Mel Gibson said is not a primary source. You relating what Scott Hahn said about Mel Gibson is nowhere near a primary source. Further, if he does not claim to be a Sedevacantist, he is not. That is pretty ridiculous to say the opposite.

Edit: Nevermind about Pascal; that is another argument altogether.

Edited November 26, 2004 by amarkich

[conservativecatholic]

[quote name='amarkich' date='Nov 25 2004, 10:16 PM'] Yes, you are mistaken about Mel Gibson. He is a Traditional Catholic. He is not a Sedevacantist, but his father may be. Mel was on Larry King (I believe in 1989) and said that he does not believe that the Novus Ordo Mass is valid. I do not know if he retains this belief today. Either way, he is not a Sedevacantist. He is a Traditional [b]Catholic[/b]. [/quote]
Amarkich is correct. Mel Gibson's [b]father[/b] believes that the Chair of St. Peter has been vacant since Vatican II. This is not Mel's belief. In fact, Mel Gibson is a practicing Catholic Traditionalist who recently constructed a beautiful Church at his house in California. While [i]The Passion of the Christ[/i] was being filmed in Italy, Mel Gibson hired a priest to say Mass in Latin on the set every day. In conclusion, Mel Gibson is in communion with Rome- his father is not. By the way, Mel Gibson's father lives just 45 minutes away from my house.

Edited November 26, 2004 by conservativecatholic