Bible Puzzle

[JP2Iloveyou]

hey matey!

hahaha, I know how to debate, and I can. Yet no one here likes too its a debate table, with no debating just debatable topics...

When I first came here I debated, yet all I got was abuse and personal attacks! Then when I told someone their debating skills would have already meant they lost this debate, they said I was side-stepping that I am wrong, not a proper Christian and am based on lies. From then on I proceeded my own way, trying to be as nice as possible. Yet everything I say gets pulled apart and taken the wrong way.

The things that my church belives in speak for themselves, especially to any bible scholars. The things your church believes in is also the same yet their are any tricky parts, that are backed up by all sorts of facts and other writings.

I would be very interested in having a structured, fomal debate with you. For the most part, I agree with you in the fact that many people, on this board and elsewhere, are not really good at debating, period. People equivocate, use arguments that beg the question, and commit other common philosophical fallacies. We all do this to some extent, myself included. As a matter of fact, he isn't on here much more, but I actually found Good Friday to be one of the better debaters on this forum, as much as he and I disagreed. He addressed arguments and did not use his conclusion as one of his premises (begging the question). So, if you would like, I would be very happy to have a formal, structured debate with you on these matters. You have my word I will not ridicule you or otherwise insult your beliefs. I will try and refute them using historical and biblical evidence, but I will do so in a civilized manner. Do you accept?

[JP2Iloveyou]

A little follow up, I was just doing some reading on current events in the world. I try to keep up with the news and especially national politics. So, I was checking around and I was reading a little bit on the Cali recall election and about President Bush. I also read an MSNBC article about Rush Limbaugh. Now, regardless of whatever your opinions are of Bush, Rush, and Arnold, you would certainly agree that it is below the belt to call them stupid, ignorant, arrogant, and other much worse things. All the articles I read had legitimate criticisms of these three men which I have no problem with. I don't agree with everything George Bush says or does. I certainly don't agree with everything Arnold says or does, likewise with Rush. However, in every article I came across, the disdain the writer had for the person he or she was writing about so covered up their valid points, that they really didn't have any. Instead of feeling compassion towards Rush Limbaugh for admitting he has a drug problem, they mocked him, criticized him, and almost gloried in the fact that he has a problem. With Arnold, everything I read called him some version of "moron," "stupid," "ignorant," or something along those lines. They said he is illigitimate. One person even went so far to say, "People are voting for the wrong reason. They came out for no other reason than to vote for Arnold. It was like the American Idol show. Vote for your favorite idol." So, all you California voters, in the wisdom of this person, you are all a bunch of idiots that voted for the wrong reasons.

The point is that people have forgotten how to have a real debate. Making fun of people in the media when they have no opportunity to defend themselves is just plain low. It weakens our political system, it doesn't strengthen it.