ICTHUS ICTHUS ICTHUS

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 6 2004, 11:30 AM']

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[quote]Why do you think he's a fool?[/quote] I don't. Why do you?

[quote]Not reading the Early Church Fathers writings does not make someone a fool. Maybe he was never shown the writings. It might not be his fault that he doesn't know that they all are Catholic.[/quote] Oh, I'm well aware, as I'm sure Aaron is, that the Fathers were members of the Church catholic. However, many of them were not [i]Roman[/i] Catholics, as such (until 325, that is, then everyone was a Roman Catholic).

I'm also quite sure that we've both had some exposure to the Fathers.

Edited December 6, 2004 by ICTHUS

[ironmonk]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 6 2004, 06:39 PM'] Oh, I'm well aware, as I'm sure Aaron is, that the Fathers were members of the Church catholic. However, many of them were not [i]Roman[/i] Catholics, as such (until 325, that is, then everyone was a Roman Catholic).

I'm also quite sure that we've both had some exposure to the Fathers. [/quote]
I'm sorry, but you are wrong... they all are Roman Catholic...

This shows you haven't read them.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 6 2004, 05:03 PM'] I'm sorry, but you are wrong... they all are Roman Catholic...

This shows you haven't read them.


God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
Ironmonk, you know, it's interesting. If we read a given text (be it scripture, or anything else for that matter) and fail to come to the same conclusion you do, we 'haven't read' the given text.

Give me a break.

[point5]

Id like to hear Icthus' reply to the topic at hand. What about the books you accept now that were heavily disputed?

[Crusader_4]

Actually someone correct me if i am wrong but they were not all Roman Catholic but rather Catholic in communion with Rome. You still correct me again if i am wrong had other rites that were not ROMAN catholic at this time. Today like how we have the Ukrainian Catholic who is in communion with Rome...altho they are Catholic they are not Roman Catholic. So i dont believe its fair to say they were all Roman Catholic because i dont think they were (i could be wrong however)

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Crusader_4' date='Dec 8 2004, 05:21 PM'] Actually someone correct me if i am wrong but they were not all Roman Catholic but rather Catholic in communion with Rome. You still correct me again if i am wrong had other rites that were not ROMAN catholic at this time. Today like how we have the Ukrainian Catholic who is in communion with Rome...altho they are Catholic they are not Roman Catholic. So i dont believe its fair to say they were all Roman Catholic because i dont think they were (i could be wrong however) [/quote]
Well, what would you have me call you? Catholic? No, for to do so would be to affirm that in you subsists the catholic Church, which I will never do - you are apostate, and as such, have abandoned the catholic faith and the Holy Gospel.

[God Conquers]

ICTHUS, are you saying the Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church?

If so, are you insisting that the Anglican communion is the Catholic Church?

Because that would be like Quebec separating and calling themselves Canada.

[reelguy227]

Explain your reasons for the above reply ICTHUS ?

God Bless,
Ricky

Edited December 8, 2004 by reelguy227

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Dec 8 2004, 06:55 PM'] ICTHUS, are you saying the Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church?

If so, are you insisting that the Anglican communion is the Catholic Church?

Because that would be like Quebec separating and calling themselves Canada. [/quote]
No, I'm saying that the Anglican communion is part of the catholic church.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='reelguy227' date='Dec 8 2004, 06:55 PM'] Explain your reasons for the above reply ICTHUS ?

God Bless,
Ricky [/quote]
Where do you want me to start, ricky? At Rome's parcelling out Christ's righteousness piecemeal in the sacraments? Her idolatrous worship of a wafer of bread? Her resurrecting the levitical priesthood when we have but one priest in Heaven, whose Name is Christ?

[Brother Adam]

And who wants to explain basic Judaism and covenental theology to ICTHUS?

Edited December 9, 2004 by Brother Adam

[Brother Adam]

...double

Edited December 9, 2004 by Brother Adam

[spathariossa]

I have to weigh in here. During the reformation, Martin Luther sent correspondances to the Orthodox Church as did several other Protestant denominations. What ensued was the Orthodoxy realizing they had far more in common with the Catholics than the protestants.

You would contend that the Protestants are returning to the new testament church but that is nonsensical in every possible way. Not only does the Catholic church believe in the real presence of Christ in communion but so do the Orthodox and Orthodoxy has been around for 2000 years. What Church were the reformers trying to get back to? It certainly wasn't true Christianity.

However, most protestants are content to sit back and snipe at the Catholics and the abuses of the Renaissance. They don't mention the Orthodox church because they know our very existence disproves everything they have sought to create.

[Brother Adam]

No, it is because they know almost nothing about the Orthodox Church. And the Orthodox Church split off of the Catholic Church. Not the other way around.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 8 2004, 10:55 PM'] No, it is because they know almost nothing about the Orthodox Church. And the Orthodox Church split off of the Catholic Church. Not the other way around. [/quote]
Actually it was you and your heretical filioque as well as the false doctrine of papal supremacy. I've heard of respect for bishops but really...

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 8 2004, 07:31 PM'] No, I'm saying that the Anglican communion is part of the catholic church. [/quote]
ICTHUS, I ask you in all seriousness and with respect-- who else is part of the catholic church (in your view)?

[Quietfire]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 8 2004, 11:00 PM'] Actually it was you and your heretical filioque as well as the false doctrine of papal supremacy. I've heard of respect for bishops but really... [/quote]
Is it heretical and false because you said so, Or because that is what you have been taught?

Where is your authority to decide that?

[Luthien]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 8 2004, 07:33 PM'] Her idolatrous worship of a wafer of bread? [/quote]
Its not a wafer of bread, its the Body of Christ.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 8 2004, 10:53 PM'] You would contend that the Protestants are returning to the new testament church but that is nonsensical in every possible way. Not only does the Catholic church believe in the real presence of Christ in communion but so do the Orthodox and Orthodoxy has been around for 2000 years. What Church were the reformers trying to get back to? It certainly wasn't true Christianity. [/quote]
Are you contending that Protestants don't believe in the real presence? This may be true of Baptists, but the majority of educated, evangelical Protestants believe Christ is present, in some form, in the Eucharist.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 8 2004, 09:31 PM'] No, I'm saying that the Anglican communion is part of the catholic church. [/quote]
Nope.