Do The Evoloution?

[Galloglasses]

I haven't voted yet, altough I DO lean towards creationism, Genisis is the truth but what it means, well, for that we need Jesus. (Think about it, if all things were made through Him, He'd answer this simply or tell us its too complicated for us to understand yet.) Has anyone actually prayed about this? Me neither, I haven't actually went around that yet.

But there's too many inconsistencies in the evolution theory that just doesn't convince me, (if there was an evolution there WAS a Big Bang, without a Big Bang, its unlikely there was an Evolution) This is were Darwinian Evolution falls flat in my veiw, because if Crocodiles have been around since the dinosaurs, why didn't they develope intellect instead of us, who were descended from Primates. That and the recent discovery of a 7 foot tall 'Devil Frog' who was capable of eating Baby Dinosuars just...bleh....

But Genesis does contain some truth, look at the stories of the Behemoth and the Leviathon, God did not want a race of such monstrous 'Dragons' to destroy all His other creations, so He killed the mate of the Leviathon, the Leviathon wept over its loss and God made it immortal. This seems allegorical to me. The Dinosaurs bare striking resemblence to the 'Dragons' of myth and legend, they were killed off, yet their bones are still existing and in roughly good shape, and their memories are immortalised in the human Conciousness. I'm no theologian so feel free to shoot me down here.

[Galloglasses]

Also, with regards to creation the Church gives you alot of Freedom, you can believe anything you want regarding the Big Bang and evolution as long as you stay by these three Dogmas.

1)God created everything out of Nothing (Ex nihlo)

2)God Created an orderly Universe

3)Everything relies on god for sustance

[Galloglasses]

*Triple post*

What the hell? I made my second post on this a few days ago, how the hell did this get bumed to the top with me as the last poster today?

[dairygirl4u2c]

with polls, when someone votes, it bumps it to the top

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1533860' date='May 19 2008, 04:10 PM']But there's too many inconsistencies in the evolution theory that just doesn't convince me, (if there was an evolution there WAS a Big Bang, without a Big Bang, its unlikely there was an Evolution) This is were Darwinian Evolution falls flat in my veiw, because if Crocodiles have been around since the dinosaurs, why didn't they develope intellect instead of us, who were descended from Primates. That and the recent discovery of a 7 foot tall 'Devil Frog' who was capable of eating Baby Dinosuars just...bleh....[/quote]


I agree with your conclusions but disagree your methods in debating evolution. There could be evolution without a Big Bang. Crocodiles didn't develop intellect because of the limitations of their more primitive reptile cerebrum.
See: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=62884&st=40&start=40"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...40&start=40[/url]

Peace,

Todd

[dairygirl4u2c]

gallo... you may or may not have seen the evidence already.. but if not, i highly recommend the following links.
look for the chromosomal chapter in the PBS link below, read or watch the video.


links for things on traisitional fossils

[url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part2a.html"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part2a.html[/url]

[url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/d2700.html"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/d2700.html[/url]

[url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/[/url]

[url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/[/url]

[url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html#ch05"]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html#ch05[/url]

[url="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Exti...ans-62131.shtml"]http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Exti...ans-62131.shtml[/url]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution[/url]

[dairygirl4u2c]

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Edited May 21, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[dairygirl4u2c]

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Edited May 24, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[Deb]

I believe that God created heaven and earth which makes me believe he created the universe so he probably did the big bang to make a place to create us.
I don't even really care about how. I just believe he did.

[dairygirl4u2c]

here's some stuff about how we evolved from one person or abouts, in africa. the only thing fatal to some creationists, is that it shows it's over thousands and thsandas, way past 6000.
[url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/neanderthals/mtdna.html"]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/neanderthals/mtdna.html[/url]

[CatherineM]

I do not think Evolution conflicts with our faith in any way.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1540158' date='May 24 2008, 12:20 PM']I do not think Evolution conflicts with our faith in any way.[/quote]


I think evolutionary theory in in strictest scientific sense does conflict with our Faith because it posits that our existence is determined by random mutation coupled with somewhat arbitrary selective forces acting on allele frequencies. I think Catholic Theology assumes a bit more input on God's end. That's not to say that a Catholic cannot recognize the veracity of some of the findings in the evolutionary sciences and fit it into their view of the creation of the world.

On a different note, I like to think of the Big Bang as that moment when space and time exploded into being out of the Creative energies of the Trinity. That just seems really cool to me!

Edited May 24, 2008 by Veridicus

[CrossCuT]

[size=1]I definitely believe in evolution.
Evolution is a key to understand how life works on this planet! You would be a fool to completely dismiss it as garbage! We see evolution everyday!!! It was an AMAZING thing!

But I do also believe we were made in the image of God and not some accident that evolved from monkeys.
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[apparent]

Man is a divine creation, gone bad

Heaven help us

[goldenchild17]

I believe #1, but I'm no scientist so what do I know? I don't have all the answers in this area right now, and don't expect to any time soon. But this is what I am most comfortable believing, so I do.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1550255' date='May 30 2008, 11:41 PM']I believe #1, but I'm no scientist so what do I know? I don't have all the answers in this area right now, and don't expect to any time soon. But this is what I am most comfortable believing, so I do.[/quote]

Thank you for your refreshing candor. It is so nice to read someone make an honest comment about the limits of their knowledge, but the depth of their belief!