amarkich Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 I suppose there is a line between "mocking" and "making fun of" and between "making fun of" and "correcting". Also, there is a line between criticizing the religion and the followers. We love the sin and hate the sinner, but making observations concerning the hypocrisy and contradictions by the protestants themselves (not just the religion) is not wrong. I think we have different ideas of what "talking bad about protestants" means. Also, I would not make fun of their jumping and yelling because it is blasphemy, and there is nothing funny about that (just like I would not laugh about hand Communion, because it is sacrilege; it is not a laughing matter).
Quietfire Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='mulls' date='Nov 30 2004, 06:05 PM'] hahahaha amen! [/quote] You really are amazing brother. Dont let anyone tell you differently. But I can still take you and dont forget it, K?
homeschoolmom Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='Nov 30 2004, 08:05 PM'] We love the sin and hate the sinner... [/quote] We do????
Paladin D Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 30 2004, 09:26 PM'] We do???? [/quote]
Socrates Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='Nov 30 2004, 08:05 PM'] I suppose there is a line between "mocking" and "making fun of" and between "making fun of" and "correcting". Also, there is a line between criticizing the religion and the followers. We love the sin and hate the sinner, but making observations concerning the hypocrisy and contradictions by the protestants themselves (not just the religion) is not wrong. I think we have different ideas of what "talking bad about protestants" means. Also, I would not make fun of their jumping and yelling because it is blasphemy, and there is nothing funny about that (just like I would not laugh about hand Communion, because it is sacrilege; it is not a laughing matter). [/quote] Protestants who are invincibly ignorant, though obviously not sharing in the perfection of Catholic Worship, are not blaspheming God when they praise the Lord in their own (albeit flawed and imperfect) way. Blasphemy is deliberately showing contempt or disrespect for God. This is not the intent of pentecostal worship. They are intending to worship and praise the Lord. While one should wish them to come into the fullness of true Catholic Worship, to condemn them in this way is false and scandalous. My parents were both converts to the Faith from fundamentalist protestantism, and though they left protestantism for the Truth of the Catholic Faith, they do not consider their earnest prayer before becoming Catholic to be "blasphemy." Blasphemy is a very serious charge, and should not be applied to those who intend to worship the Lord. Before you start throwing around any more remarks, or start dismissing me as a "modernist" or such, I suggest you reflect long and hard on Our Lord's words to the Pharisees.
Quietfire Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 I took it to mean.... "Hate the sin, love the sinnner." figured amarkich was just testin' us. I think
amarkich Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 My apologies. We hate the sin and love the sinner...not the other way around. That wasn't a test, just a typo.
noncatholicname Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 30 2004, 10:34 PM'] Protestants who are invincibly ignorant, though obviously not sharing in the perfection of Catholic Worship, are not blaspheming God when they praise the Lord in their own (albeit flawed and imperfect) way. Blasphemy is deliberately showing contempt or disrespect for God. This is not the intent of pentecostal worship. They are intending to worship and praise the Lord. While one should wish them to come into the fullness of true Catholic Worship, to condemn them in this way is false and scandalous. My parents were both converts to the Faith from fundamentalist protestantism, and though they left protestantism for the Truth of the Catholic Faith, they do not consider their earnest prayer before becoming Catholic to be "blasphemy." Blasphemy is a very serious charge, and should not be applied to those who intend to worship the Lord. Before you start throwing around any more remarks, or start dismissing me as a "modernist" or such, I suggest you reflect long and hard on Our Lord's words to the Pharisees. [/quote] Good luck getting someone to listen. Not many are willing to admit that thier attitude oppresses the lost in thier sins.
SirMyztiq Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching.
RandomProddy Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Nov 30 2004, 10:00 PM'] People like ian paisley... jack chick... etc... then I think it's ok to make light of it seeing how if we think of the gravity of their actions and words, it would be very depressing. [/quote] [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4055885.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4055885.stm[/url]
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Dec 1 2004, 04:39 AM'] You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching. [/quote] Dogma isn't decided by vote
Paladin D Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:12 AM'] Good luck getting someone to listen. Not many are willing to admit that thier attitude oppresses the lost in thier sins. [/quote] I agree with Socrates.
toledo_jesus Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:39 AM'] You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching. [/quote] if only it were that simple. The problem with listening to all sides is that there are definite Truths out there that cannot be decided by a consensus. God has been very clear on a number of these, and on others He has entrusted His Church with the tools to figure it out.
aloha918 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Posted December 1, 2004 sometimes i feel like we get so off topic.......hahahahaha
Paladin D Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='mulls' date='Nov 30 2004, 05:43 PM'] yea, i don't have a wife, but if i did i would definately beat her. i love yelling and screaming, and i fling my bible with deadly accuracy. [/quote] LOL!
amarkich Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) Didn't log out... Edited December 1, 2004 by amarkich
CatholicCrusader Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Dec 1 2004, 02:39 AM'] You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching. [/quote] Besides the fact that there are Truths defined by God, and no vote--whether it be 100% to 0 in favor of error, can change that, you completely err in your definition of Christianity. There are no divisions in Christianity. There are no divisions in the Body of Christ (at least not how you are posing it right here). Protestants are not Christians. They are not a part of the Body of Christ. They have put themselves outside of the Church by their heresy. You don't just "focus on what is the same", since what is different is what leads countless souls to Hell. The differences in doctrine and in practice lead all those outside the Catholic Church to Hell, and that is something we cannot stand for. By ignoring the fact that there is no salvation outside the Church, we do those outside the Church the greatest dis-service possible: allowing them to suffer the loss of their souls for all eternity. I, for one, will not stand for that.
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 Baptism joins one to the Body of Christ. Many protestants have valid baptism and are therefore Christian. When they convert to the Catholic Church , they are not re-baptised unless they are Mormons or JW, becuase their first Baptism is VALID.
CatholicCrusader Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:54 AM'] Baptism joins one to the Body of Christ. Many protestants have valid baptism and are therefore Christian. When they convert to the Catholic Church , they are not re-baptised unless they are Mormons or JW, becuase their first Baptism is VALID. [/quote] But a person puts himself outside the Church by heresy, according to the Council of Trent. And hardly any (if any at all) protestant 'baptisms' are valid, since the intention of the minister is taken into account. He must have the intention to "do as the Church does", hence the practice of CONDITIONALLY baptizing all protestants who convert, since their first baptism was most likely invalid on account of the minister's intention.
RandomProddy Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Dec 1 2004, 05:57 PM'] And hardly any (if any at all) protestant 'baptisms' are valid, since the intention of the minister is taken into account. He must have the intention to "do as the Church does", hence the practice of CONDITIONALLY baptizing all protestants who convert, since their first baptism was most likely invalid on account of the minister's intention. [/quote] Hmm...
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