toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Good morrow fine sirs! Let us discuss swords, swordplay, and the like. Indeed, any weapon that you are proficient in, so long as it is a gentleman's instrument. Don John, I am interested to know where you learned your skills. I myself am a sport fencer, but my true passion rests with the longsword. I would dearly love to gird myself in armor and hack at a like-minded individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightoftheRosary Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 My dear sir, it is in your best interest to be careful who you "smack" with the glove. Sword Play in these ancient times are quite dangerouse, but since they are for the lovely damsels indeed we must risk combat. Well good luck with fighting. Cherio -KOTR- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I am not a gentleman but I do enjoy sword play. Have you heard of the group, the [url="http://www.sca.org"]Society for Creative Anachronism[/url]? They're a fun group that lives out the Middle Ages as it should have been. Yes, that means they have swordplay and other forms of combat, although not with live steel (except for light combat, like rapier). They use swords made from rattan, wear armor, and well...hit each other! Events are always great fun. Tournaments, feasting.... Check to see if there's a group in your area! :swords: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Closest thing I could find to an image of my sword: [img]http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Functional_Swords_Irish_Two__Hander_M1524_830.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I learned my skills from john clements and was one of the original members of HACA back before it became ARMA ( I am somewhat disillutioned with the path john is takeing but he is an excellent swordsmen.) I take swordsmanship very seriously as a martial art. No offense dreamweaver butthe SCA's combat is a joke not a martial art, that is why Hank Rienhart who help found the orginaization left it. Anyway what would ya'll like to discuss about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 This is a much closer image. In fact, it's nearly identical. [img]http://www.thesteelsource.com/images/sr007.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Author Share Posted December 2, 2004 I have heard of the SCA and know a few people who go to Pennsic, which is a 10,000 person gathering in Pennsylvania each year. For purposes of massed battle, there is little else comparable. We're talking 4 to 5 thousand people on a side here. I have also heard of ARMA, and Hank Reinhart. I used to pore over a catalogue from Museum Replicas Limited just to drool and dream. Currently I have my eye on these swords from Valentine Armouries up in Canada... [url="http://www.varmouries.com/weapons/practice.html"]Aluminum Practice Swords[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 2 2004, 11:12 AM'] I learned my skills from john clements and was one of the original members of HACA back before it became ARMA ( I am somewhat disillutioned with the path john is takeing but he is an excellent swordsmen.) I take swordsmanship very seriously as a martial art. No offense dreamweaver butthe SCA's combat is a joke not a martial art, that is why Hank Rienhart who help found the orginaization left it. Anyway what would ya'll like to discuss about them. [/quote] I do realize that the SCA's combat system is very unlike actual martial art used in period. There are several guys in our group that have studied Fiore (had a school in Italy on using the hand-and-a-half sword) quite a bit and apply them to SCA combat when possible. They are wicked good also. It is cool seeing people who strive to do more than just bash each other with rattan and study the masters. I myself took some classes on the basics of Fiore and it was fun. I'm don't exactly have the strength or endurance for SCA combat, which may be why the more "scholarly" study of swordplay appeals to me more. Anyone do Kendo? There's a Kendo club on campus who practice the same time we have fighters' practice. It seems like they mostly do pre-set drills. The few times where they have done sparring was cool. They're very dedicated people and won't let the fighters in our group play, since they're not disciplined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Author Share Posted December 2, 2004 an untrained swordsman has an edge over one with training. I sure learned that in my fencing. If somebody doesn't adhere to the forms of the combat, essentially not playing by the rules, then they put the swordsman who does at a disadvantage. Which is highly annoying for somebody who has been fencing for a number of years. Nothing like losing points because you maintained form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 The only form necessary in battle is the one that brings the blade down (or into) its target. But I do undertsand what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 2 2004, 12:12 PM'] I learned my skills from john clements and was one of the original members of HACA back before it became ARMA ( I am somewhat disillutioned with the path john is takeing but he is an excellent swordsmen.) I take swordsmanship very seriously as a martial art. No offense dreamweaver butthe SCA's combat is a joke not a martial art, that is why Hank Rienhart who help found the orginaization left it. Anyway what would ya'll like to discuss about them. [/quote] John Clements!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Author Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 2 2004, 01:40 PM'] The only form necessary in battle is the one that brings the blade down (or into) its target. But I do undertsand what you are saying. [/quote] yeah I've mostly done sport fencing. Tried to teach it to some folks but one semester apparently isn't enough to teach them how to use their feet. Or parry. Or what 'right of way' is. So the notion of not having to worry about all that is appealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 First rule of martial arts ---there are no rules. An untrianed swordsmen has an edge over a novice with training because he doesn't realize what he is doing wrong and therefore has no realization that he is likely about to die. A moderately good swordsman can wipe out many many untrained persons, sport fencing is not martial anymore it is just what it says a sport there is nothing wrong with that but your right someone fighting in the round will certianly have an ege over strait linear fighting of sport fencing. A well trained swordsmen can do amazing things even aginanst those who are fairly good, particularly on a large area. PPX remember the form that matters is that which allows you to bring the blade on your opponant, where it will harm your opponant, in a manner which will harm him(blade placement) and, most importantly from a Western point of view, keeps him from killing me in the process. In swordplay there are no ties, only winners and losers, untrained swordsmen often kill( or would kill thenm if useing a live blade) there opponants but die( or would die) in the process. As forthe Old masters I am partial to George Silver and Talhoffer( I think thats how you spell it) the Italians after the 15th century seem to interested in tricks and not enough in basic technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote] Or parry. [/quote] I always teach parrying first if you can't parry you dont need a sword get spear and shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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