True Gentlemen

[toledo_jesus]

[img]http://www.varmouries.com/vpics/troy_01.jpg[/img]

Edited December 6, 2004 by toledo_jesus

[toledo_jesus]

[img]http://www.varmouries.com/vpics/fecht01i.jpg[/img]

Fechtbuch

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 4 2004, 02:27 AM'] here we go it's an interesting essay, I recomend it.
[url="http://www.thehaca.com/essays/knightvs.htm"]knight vs samurai[/url] [/quote]
[img]http://www.varmouries.com/vpics/met02.jpg[/img][img]http://www.bsca.org/Photos/T-samurai.jpg[/img]

Edited December 6, 2004 by toledo_jesus

[God Conquers]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Dec 6 2004, 03:29 PM'] You mean "veni, vidi, Deus vicit"? [/quote]
yes... I don't speak latin, I just remmeber quotes.

[God Conquers]

And write them down improperly!

[Paladin D]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 6 2004, 04:56 PM'] [img]http://www.varmouries.com/vpics/met02.jpg[/img][img]http://www.bsca.org/Photos/T-samurai.jpg[/img] [/quote]
LOL!!!

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]Not to mention the fact that the swords weigh a freakin ton as well.


[/quote]


Actually a full sized 48" longsword wieghs about 3 1/2 lbs, if you are wielding one that is heavier than that it is either woefully inaccurate, or a stage weapon.

[Balthazor]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Dec 6 2004, 02:19 PM'] Mine too! [/quote]
It is too bad we got our butts kicked by the swedes all up until the city of Zamosc.

I know a guy that makes armor, wears it and fights with it. The guy is huge he is 6'8".......

[Balthazor]

[img]http://www.istitutodatini.it/biblio/images/riccard/10939/img/41-53b.jpg[/img]

Major forifications in Zamosc. Has a nice artillary, and weaponry museum.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 6 2004, 06:19 PM']

Actually a full sized 48" longsword wieghs about 3 1/2 lbs, if you are wielding one that is heavier than that it is either woefully inaccurate, or a stage weapon. [/quote]
Thanks for saying that so I didn't have to. In fact, I find that most longswords even if they're up to 4 pounds, say like the svante nilsson sword that Albion produces are so well balanced that you don't notice.

My main interest is the high middle ages (12th-14th centuries) so I'm a big fan of the single handed slashing swords of Oakeshott types X, Xa, XI, XII, and XIIIb. Albion's Tritonia sword is a wonderful example of a type XIIIb - massive and still only 3 pounds. (Which is quite a lot for a single hander but it is well balanced in terms of the CoB being like 5 inches from the cross.) My favorite style is probably the type Xa. Though the sword of St. Maurice (Turin not Vienna) is my favorite medieval sword of all time.

[Dreamweaver]

I like swords and all, but I'm not a huge sword buff. I have a cheap half-tang katana I got for my birthday, a handmade full tang crusader-era longsword from Toledo, Spain along with some wooden wasters (practice swords).

I find interesting that many have misconceptions on how much swords weighed. They're lighter than most people assume, aside from the huge two handed Landsknecht swords. I'm assuming that they weigh a bit more than 3 pounds or so. If someone would knows more about latter period warfare, please inform us. I'm not as educated in pike/sword warfare.

[Don John of Austria]

A True two handed sword such as was used in the 16th and 17th century for cutting through pike formations wiegh just at 6 lbs, still less than your average stage arming sword( a single handed sword often miscalled a long sword).

[Don John of Austria]

bump

[Kilroy the Ninja]

bump 'cause it's stuck somewhere on the third page...

[spathariossa]

So what is your favorite sword based on Oakeshott's typology? I like the Xa the best.

[Don John of Austria]

type XIIIa and type XX


for those of you who don't know what we are refering to here is a link to a brief discription of oakeshots typology.[url="http://www.algonet.se/~enda/oakeshott_eng.htm"]here[/url]

[toledo_jesus]

ooh the type XII and XIIa are nice.

[spathariossa]

I have to admit though, X's and XI's are really pretty. I love brazil nut pommels. If I could just get a brazil nut pommeled, sword with a downcurved guard and a type Xa blade I'd be set. Aw, heck, I just want the sword of St. Maurice (Turin version).

I want the Vienna version too but the Turin version just makes me love it. It is so big and ugly in a delightful way.

[url="http://www.swordforum.com/summer99/st-m.html"]http://www.swordforum.com/summer99/st-m.html[/url]

Edited December 9, 2004 by spathariossa

[Don John of Austria]

Yeah I like XIIa, I personally like war swords mor than arming swords, not thaqt a good s ingle handed sword isn't capable of massive damage I just perfer a later cut and thrst for single handed work.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 8 2004, 09:19 PM'] Yeah I like XIIa, I personally like war swords mor than arming swords, not thaqt a good s ingle handed sword isn't capable of massive damage I just perfer a later cut and thrst for single handed work. [/quote]
I've held some type XV's and such. They are without a doubt good weapons as are type XIX's and XX's. However, I just find the high middle ages mail cleaving weapons to be my favorites. Though the Type XIIIa and b are spectacular.