Freaky Chik Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 hello bro's and sis's!! how are we all? I would just like to say that I have been paying attention to all that you have written... and yes, I've even remained OPENED.... and in some parts I got confused (with what I believed) and ever thought "could they be right?"... so yes, I did what you asked, I remained opened.. and opened to God's guidance... I spent some time in prayer, over the different issues (if you'd call it that? ) that you all brought up... and I have reached some conclusions. Perhaps you won't be happy though , with my conclusions, because it doesn't line up with what you all believe... If you'd like me to post my thoughts (such as on the Eucharist) and my conclusions etc on that.... then ask me... but I won't unless you really wanna know why (i dont' wanna have to cause an unnecessary stir) love you all !!! (no seriously, I do )
Freaky Chik Posted October 13, 2003 Author Posted October 13, 2003 oh yes!! and i also wanted to say thank u for my new found friendships, and for you guys challeging me for what I believe and just making me more pumped up for Jesus!!! *is so excited about God, just can't hide it!!!*
jasJis Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 We love you too, Freaky! Glad you are here. Post and ask questions about the Eucharist. I would refrain from calling them conclusions, you can't believe what an uproar you're going to cause. The Eucharist is why I am Catholic. It is God physically present. I've felt, tasted, and consumed Him. I've been so moved in Eucharistic Adoration that it's shaken me to my very core. I've felt God's love and comfort so deeply and with such reality, that I've collapsed into tears among 150 people. (And really, I'm kinda shy.) God's presence is sometimes more real to me that what I see know with my eyes. And I'm not the only one. The Catholics here can give you testimony to powerful miracles in their lives. I consider my experiences no less than miracles. If you saw Abraham's burning bush that did not burn, could I talk you out of it because I've never seen it.
Freaky Chik Posted October 13, 2003 Author Posted October 13, 2003 haha well to anyone reading it a read "conclusions" don't get mad! please! i don't wanna cause a fight or nothing. ummm what word can i replace that with? haha, i donno, but... bah, I never make sense. and valid points Jas Jis, but what you've experianced, I've experianced too... just not through the Eucharist. And also, yeh, I've experianced alot of miracles in my life also! Thanks be to God! Luv ya alllllll xo
Anna Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 hey, Freaky Chik, Share away. I mean no sarcasm at here, when I say: Too bad you think that the Catholic Church has been "wrong" about the Eucharist for the past 2000 years...that the Apostles took Jesus the wrong way, and taught it to the Early Church wrong...that the martyrs who were thrown to beasts, burned, scourged, and hid in caves to celebrate the Holy Mass were all just going through some meaningless ritual... But, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it! :D It's kinda sad, though, because little do you know it...Although you're having a great experience in your Christian walk, there is still something that can draw you into an even closer, in fact, intimate, relationship with Jesus. That is eating His actual flesh, and drinking His actual Blood. Jesus wasn't speaking figuratively in John 6, nor at the Last Supper. The Apostles knew this. The Church has continuously taught this through the ages, without compromise. Even Martin Luther believed in the Eucharist, as do his followers to this day, though their celebration cannot be the true eucharist, since their "priests" are not duly ordained. You feel that what you've got with the Lord right now is as good as it gets! But guess what? He longs to give you even more of Himself! He longs to immerse you completely in His Love... To fill you with His Presence, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity...for his Blood to be pumping through your veins, lemme tell you, that experience brings one to tears of absolute joy and thankfulness, if they have even a clue of the magnitude of Love that it must take for God Amighty to condescend (lower Himself) to such a great degree! It's just indescribably moving. I've been to pentecostal prayer meetings, prayed in tongues, the whole sh'bang... Still, I can attest, there is nothing, nothing on this whole wide earth, that unites human to Savior, Savior to human, in the same way or intensity as the Most Holy Eucharist. The Church has been gifted with a rich history, full of wise and Spirit-led saints...They all believed in the Eucharist. It is our "Food for the journey" as we make our pilgrimage on this earth toward our heavenly goal. The Church "feeds Christ's sheep," per His instructions. Your conclusions are faulty, but that is your choice...your loss. Pax Christi. <><
Freaky Chik Posted October 13, 2003 Author Posted October 13, 2003 thank you anna for loving me enough to be concerned i do appreciate it, although I do not agree with what you write. Tomorrow I'll post my thoughts and my reasonings, it's 12 here and I'm pretty tired... so when I get home from uni tomorrow arvo I'll write it all up! thanks again! luv ya
Cure of Ars Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Do you discern the body of our lord (1 Cor 11:29) when you recieve communion?
Freaky Chik Posted October 13, 2003 Author Posted October 13, 2003 Hey Cure, I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. "For anyone who eats a drinks without recognising the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself." 1 Corinthians 11:29 In reference to that verse however, yes I do recognise the body of the Lord and what He has done for me, when receiving communion. Because I do not partake in the Eucharist does not mean I don't. anyways, like I said, if you wish I'll give you my thoughts on the Eucharist tomorrow (when i'm more awake! i have a bad headache ) But you have to promise not to bite my head off or anything, when I do . good night xxoo
Katholikos Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Freaky, I simply ask you to compare what you believe about the Eucharist to what the Apostles and the early Christians believed. There are many examples of what they believed, including St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:16, written c. 56 A.D.: "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" Here's only one other: "From Eucharist and prayer they hold aloof, because they [the Donatists] do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father in His loving kindness raised from the dead. And so, those who question the gift of God perish in their contentiousness." (Written by Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, who was a student of St. John, ordained a bishop by St. Peter, and friends with St. Paul, in the years between 107 and 110 A.D., shortly after the death of his mentor, the Apostles John. Quoted from Ancient Christian Writers, Volume 1, The Newman Press, Westminster, Maryland, 1961, p. 92, italics in the original.) Are you a Donatist? Oremus pro invicem, Katholikos
Anna Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 "For anyone who eats a drinks without recognising the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself." 1 Corinthians 11:29 In reference to that verse however, yes I do recognise the body of the Lord and what He has done for me, when receiving communion. Because I do not partake in the Eucharist does not mean I don't. Freaky, You truly do not understand. Partaking in a "mock communion," one where the True Physical Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are NOT present, but just going through the motions and thinking nice thoughts about Jesus...is not "communion" with Him. Think about the word "communion," a coming together...as in a community! But Holy Communion is when the body of believers comes together with Christ! We receive His Body, His Blood, His Soul, and His Divinity in this Holy Communion. What your church does is offer, occasionally, grape juice and crackers in a mock Last Supper, which, if you knew any better, you would see is truly an empty ritual, and was condemned by the Early Church Fathers as a heresy called Donatism. Please re-read Katholiko's post above...Let Our Lord enlighten you with His Truth. Pax Christi, dear Freaky Chik. <><
Chrysologus Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 I'm afraid that it's hopeless, here, Freaky Chik (Hey, I remember back when you first came on and didn't even know what "Eucharist" meant!). Anna and Katholikos won't give up until you give in. And I'm guessing that you won't give in. I'm not aware of any non-Catholics who have become Catholics as a result of this website. Follow your conscience and seek to the do the Lord's will and you'll be fine.
cmotherofpirl Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Its not about giving in, its about thoughtful consideration of a topic. God changes hearts not us. If you think this is a numbers game you are sadly mistaken. This is presenting the fullness of faith on the most important question there is: where will we spend eternity? You may fault Anna and Kath on their language or tone, but not on their love or efforts or intentions to explain Church teaching. Evangelism takes many forms in real life, but the only thing we have here are words.
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 and thanks freaky for being here, and being sincere about everything by0 learning and being patient. God bless! +JMJ ~flowery~
Katholikos Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 I'm afraid that it's hopeless, here, Freaky Chik (Hey, I remember back when you first came on and didn't even know what "Eucharist" meant!). Anna and Katholikos won't give up until you give in. And I'm guessing that you won't give in. I'm not aware of any non-Catholics who have become Catholics as a result of this website. Follow your conscience and seek to the do the Lord's will and you'll be fine. Ah, relativism -- one of the most prevalent and enduring heresies of the 20th and 21st centuries -- has spoken. Being a (fill in the blank) is as good as being a Catholic. Being a Buddhist is as good as being a Baptist. ¿Qué más da? (It makes no difference.) I'm not trying to make Freaky "give in." I'm simply trying to educate her. What she does with the Truth is strictly between her and God. I doubt that she'll be okay. "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you ; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is food inDouche, and my blood is drink inDouche. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him" John 6:53-56 RSV. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father , who is in heaven" Mt 7:21. It is God's will that men be saved through the Church he established. Not that they "can't" be saved any other way, but He founded the Church and endowed it with the Sacraments, especially Confession and the Eucharist, to help us get to heaven. Can man make an end run around God's will without penalty? Peace be to you and all, Oremus pro invicem, Katholikos
Katholikos Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 (edited) My post duplicated in this space. I deleted it. I must have done something wrong. I have no idea whether anyone has been converted at phatmass, but on-line conversions do occur. I was a witness to one -- God gave me the privilige of watching it happen as our arguments progressed. Actually, there were four conversions: a wife, husband, and two teen-age sons. All because of internet dialog. It got very heated at times! They all became Catholic at the Easter Vigil two years ago. My "tone" has not changed. I don't criticize the person, only Protestantism. No one should take it personally. Catholics don't usually criticize other religions -- but I used to be a Protestant, so I tell it like it is. Sorry if anyone is offended by that. But I try to replace fiction with Truth. Oremus pro invicem. Katholikos P.S. I wasn't in the battle alone -- there were four of us Catholics in the debate. It happened on a Protestant/Catholic discussion list. Edited October 13, 2003 by Katholikos
Katholikos Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 I'm afraid that it's hopeless, here, Freaky Chik (Hey, I remember back when you first came on and didn't even know what "Eucharist" meant!). Anna and Katholikos won't give up until you give in. And I'm guessing that you won't give in. I'm not aware of any non-Catholics who have become Catholics as a result of this website. Follow your conscience and seek to the do the Lord's will and you'll be fine. Ah, relativism -- one of the most prevalent and enduring heresies of the 20th and 21st centuries -- has spoken. Being a (fill in the blank) is as good as being a Catholic. Being a Buddhist is as good as being a Baptist. ¿Qué más da? (It makes no difference.) I'm not trying to make Freaky "give in." I'm simply trying to educate her. What she does with the Truth is strictly between her and God. I doubt that she'll be okay. "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you ; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is food inDouche, and my blood is drink inDouche. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him" John 6:53-56 RSV. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father , who is in heaven" Mt 7:21. It is God's will that men be saved through the Church he established. Not that they "can't" be saved any other way, but He founded the Church and endowed it with the Sacraments, especially Confession and the Eucharist, to help us get to heaven. Can man make an end run around God's will without penalty? Peace be to you and all, Oremus pro invicem, Katholikos
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