Who is the Dalai Lama praying to?

[Budge]

De 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, [b]to go after other gods to serve them.[/b]

The DL is a god....

When I was UU,(unitarian-universalist) they loved the Dalai Lama.

Christian churches should not be seeking peace through Buddhist GURUS, Im sorry.

The Dalai Lama is just one of the pre-False PROPHETS paving the way.

He is spreading the LUCIFERIAN NEW AGE GOSPEL.

In the UU church people literally did believe that Dalai Lama was an archetype of God on earth.


[image noborder]http://media.phillyburbs.com/2004/10/04/MEXICO_DALAI_LAMA.jpg[/image]

Dalai Lama: Religion Not Cause of Violence
By WILL WEISSERT
The Associated Press




MEXICO CITY - The Dalai Lama on Monday told more than 1,000 people at the National Cathedral [b]he doesn't believe differences between fundamentalist Islam and the religions of the West are the cause of war and modern violence.[/b]

The 14th Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader of Tibet, joined representatives from 11 other major religions to lead a prayer session for peace in the heart of historic downtown Mexico City.

"Some people were under the impression that there is a clash" between traditions of the East and West, said the Dalai Lama, adding that he didn't think so. He said "hatred was easily manipulated" and that "some mischievous people manipulate religion." But he added later that [b]"the whole world, due to communication, population and tourism, is something like one entity, one body."[/b]

(new age gaia theory)


The large crowd, made up of congregations from dozens of diverse Mexican faiths, [font color=red size=5]gave the Dalai Lama an extended standing ovation when he entered the majestic cathedral[/font] and another when he finished his address, which took more than 40 minutes and covered every topic from the virtues of living a moral life to coping with getting older.

As he was leaving, the Dalai Lama playfully tugged on the long beard of another religious leader on-stage and pretended to scurry off.

In a shorter and far more focused presentation, Mexico City Roman Catholic Archbishop Norberto Rivera said [font color=red size=5]"we have gathered here, the different religious denominations ... to perform a common prayer asking for world peace."[/font]

(praying to whom???)


Also on Monday, President Vicente Fox unexpectedly extended a verbal welcome to the Dalai Lama, who arrived Sunday for a four-day visit that has been advertised on billboards around the capital.

Fox's government has said repeatedly that the Dalai Lama, is a religious figure in its eyes and not a political one. Last week, the Dalai Lama visited Costa Rica, El Salvador and Guatemala and met with the presidents of each country, but Fox has no plans for a face-to-face meeting.


Still, during an event in Mexico state, which borders the nation's capital, the president said the Buddhist leader arrived in Mexico "with a message of unity, a message of peace, a message of spirituality."

"To the Dalai we extend a welcome to our country," Fox said, "a country of values, a country of families, a country working hard to build a better future."

Dalai Lama is a religious title roughly translating into "Ocean of Wisdom" and referring to only part of it, as the president did when he said simply "Dalai," is unusual.

First lady Marta Sahagun received a personal audience on Sunday night with the Dalai Lama who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989.

She called the meeting "a conversation that was very cordial, very nice, where we only talked about things that had to do with his spirituality, which I admire."

Mexico is trying to expand economic and social relations with China and has a fiercely isolationist history that makes it wary of taking a stand on international questions, such as whether Tibet should have more autonomy from China.

The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in Dharamsala, India, since a failed Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government in 1959. He now acknowledges that Tibet is part of China, but Beijing still considers him a revolutionary who works to spread notions about Tibetan independence.

Although Fox has no plans to meet with the Dalai Lama, his visit has nevertheless upset Beijing. On Wednesday, the Dalai Lama is scheduled to address much of Mexico's Congress as an invited guest, a visit that prompted China to write a letter of protest in May.

China's ambassador to Mexico, Ren Jingyu, said last week that Mexico should not allow the Dalai Lama to spread his revolutionary messages on its soil.

[Don John of Austria]

I don't think you understand Buddhism, it is really a nihlistic philosophy not a religion, the concept of godhood is not even what a western pagan would understand as a god. Your right we shouldn't be cheering his praises, he is at best a dupe of the devil, but don't impose UU views about him on to him himself.

[Theoketos]

No one said in what you just posted that we should convert to or are a part of any thing else but Christianity.

Ecumenism and Converstion thus differ greatky from Unitarianism and Relatavism.

[Budge]

So why is the Catholic clergy lauding this man so much?

To invite a man that believes himself to be part of the godhead(Yes I know I didnt get into the specifics of Buddhism) to preach peace?

The only true source of peace in the world is Jesus Christ, the Catholic clergy has forgotten that.

[toledo_jesus]

I didn't see any lauds from the Church. The Archbishop said that they are gathering in a common prayer for peace, but this article dealt more with Mexico and their position on the Dalai Lama than the Church. At best the reported comments by the Archbishop were neutral. At worst they were decidedly neutral.

[Budge]

Why have common prayer with a man that belives himself to be part of the godhead, and who is he praying to why you pray to God?

I dont see inviting the Dalai Lama up for a speech in one of Mexicos biggest and most well known Cathedrals as taking a position of neutrality towards him., Obviously this bishops saw the DL as a teacher of some sort of wisdom ignoring the fact that by scriptural tests the DL is antiChrist.

[Budge]

Oh he was awarded a plaque, that is a laud.

[thessalonian]

Why was Paul "lauding" the Athenians in Acts 17?

Acts 17:22
So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.
"For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.


Why didn't he stroll in to Athens calling the inventors of all these God's and temples a bunch of lying idolaters. Rather he uses what they know to convert them to the truth. Take note Budge. This is the way the Catholic Church converts those who do not know Christ. This is the Biblical way. Find the truth in what they know and use it to connect with them and then give them the Gospel.

Blessings

[crusader1234]

I think its radonkulous to say that he's a pawn of the devil. He, however wrong, clearly has good intentions and wants peace. He's just a person that, in trying to find God, got lost.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote] I think its radonkulous to say that he's a pawn of the devil. He, however wrong, clearly has good intentions and wants peace. He's just a person that, in trying to find God, got lost. [/quote]

Well where do you think that pawns of the devil come from? And anyway he isn't trying to find God, as a buddhist he directly Denies the existance of any God in the Western Monotheist since of the word, and the "gods" he does aknowledge are not even as god like as a pagan Greek. He believes in nothing, not to say he has no believes but that he truely believes in a positive nothingness as the goal of all people. He is a servent of evil, that makes him a servant of the Devil, even if he doesn't know it, or desire it, he still serves the Devils cause, in a Devil inspired religion.


edit: really that shouldn't say religion, that ahould say philosophy.

Edited December 15, 2004 by Don John of Austria

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Budge' date='Dec 14 2004, 08:49 PM'] The DL is a god.... [/quote]
Blasphemer!



Just kidding...

[Guest catholick]

The Dalai Lama has never claimed to be god where ever you got your information from is wrong even in the "Buddhist Bible" Buddha never claims to be of, from, or a god

[Don John of Austria]

The mahyana buddhist believe Budda was and is a god of sorts, this is opposed to Theravada buddhist who do not. I went ahead and found something ya'll can read about it on.[url="http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/MAHAYANA.HTM"]Mahyana Buddhism[/url]

The Dali Lama is a Mahyana buddhist, and he and other Tibetan Buddhist believe he is theFuture Buddha

Edited December 17, 2004 by Don John of Austria

[Phatmasser777]

[color=red]Edited by Kilroy the Ninja: Play nice please.[/color]

Edited December 17, 2004 by Kilroy the Ninja

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 17 2004, 03:30 AM'] [color=red]Edited by Kilroy the Ninja: Play nice please.[/color] [/quote]
That was unnecessary. Be nice.

Edited December 17, 2004 by Kilroy the Ninja

[Phatmasser777]

No I found it quite neccessary and true.

[thessalonian]

Rather than figuring out what is wrong with the budhists and what they believe, I think we should have a discussion on the things in their religion that we could use to help them come to a true knowledge of Christ. One thing that their Nirvanha ideas point to is with regard to the communion of saints and how we are, though not God, united with him as we grow in love for him, till when we die, we are one in will with him. Their beliefs point toward the truth and they have gleaned this truth from their reading of nature. But do to the fact that they do not have the scriptures and therefore do not have divine revelation which is neccessary for a true viewpoint on God, they go to far in their belief. That I think is the approach that the APostle Paul took in acts 17 when he uses the tomb of the Unknown God to explain to the Athenians the true God. That is the method that St. Francis Xavier, perhaps the greatest post apostolic missionary that ever lived used.

In our parish a few years back a priest from New Guinea preached. He told about how New Guniea used to have Canabals I believe he said as late as the 1940's. Could you imagine being a priest in Italy and getting the call to go to New Guinea. But the funny thing was that the people were very easy to convert because they had a natural attraction to the Eucharist. Needless to say they had to leave some of their other behavior behind.

So personally I think there is little use in arguing about whether the Dali is going to heaven or hell and who is God is. We know that he and his followers are not in the truth. The Church teaches against indifferentism so we are called to convert them. So let's be about that and respect them enough such that we can study what they believe to use it to convert them.

God bless

Edited December 17, 2004 by thessalonian

[Don John of Austria]

ther are still cannibals in new guinea

[Apotheoun]

There appears to be some confusion about the nature and purpose of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue: firstly, it should be noted that [i]ecumenical dialogue[/i] involves discussions between the Catholic Church and baptized Christians not in full communion with her, with the intention of bringing those non-Catholic Christians back into full communion with the Christ's holy Catholic Church; while secondly, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i], which should not be confused with ecumenism, concerns discussions between the Catholic Church and non-Christians, with the purpose of advancing the common good of society in a general sense. Moreover, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i] is not a substitute for evangelization, because the goal of the Catholic Church is to bring all men into communion with God in Christ, who is the sole savior of humanity, and so any form of indifferentism is a grave sin.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Dec 17 2004, 01:25 PM'] There appears to be some confusion about the nature and purpose of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue: firstly, it should be noted that [i]ecumenical dialogue[/i] involves discussions between the Catholic Church and baptized Christians not in full communion with her, with the intention of bringing those non-Catholic Christians back into full communion with the Christ's holy Catholic Church; while secondly, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i], which should not be confused with ecumenism, concerns discussions between the Catholic Church and non-Christians, with the purpose of advancing the common good of society in a general sense. Moreover, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i] is not a substitute for evangelization, because the goal of the Catholic Church is to bring all men into communion with God in Christ, who is the sole savior of humanity, and so any form of indifferentism is a grave sin. [/quote]
Amen