My Debate

[thessalonian]

I first want to thank those who prayed for me. I know that there were many prayers for me (thanks for yours) as my hands never came in to contact with his neck :D . I remained calm through all of the nonsense and though I am a nervous guy at heart, the nerves didn't get to me.

The debate was interesting. He basically went the route "I can't figure out what infallibility actually is and I see some Catholics disagree with it, so I am going to throw every sin of a Catholic Pope and every arguement that dissenters of the Catholic Church have at it". He had some books by those who want women priests and quoted liberally out of them. I refuted what I could of it. But in general I feel pretty good about how things went. I spent the first 25 minutes in scripture. He spent none. This strikes me as very strange and I told him so in an email. If scripture is for "correction, rebuke, teaching" (the usual Sola Scriptura veres) etc. Then I am still wondering where my correction and rebuke came in. I still haven't got it. He weakly refuted some of what I had to say. Some of it he disagreed with the usual protestant habadashery. He agree that Peter had Primacy. That men could be infallible (when writing scripture), that sins of popes don't mean much in the arguement. He agrees with infallibility of the Church, though cannot lay his hands on exactly what it is.

At any rate scripture says in Heb 4:12 that the word of God is what convicts the soul and so that is what I presented. He failed to do this and to that end I think he may have lost the debate with regard to the souls of those who were there. They will not be at peace until they reconcile their lives with my scriptural presentation.

I was also on the radio for 45 minutes with him on Friday. That was pretty benign as the woman who did the show did most of the talking. I did get a plug in for the Eucharist and some quotes out of John 6. She asked how my wife came to the Church. John 6 was key to that.

I do find the whole thing to be providential, falling on JP II's 25 aniversy.

Much more I could say but that is the lowdown. I feel pretty good about it. There were 5 Catholics there (out of about 30 people). Afterward these three anti-catholics came up and started debating us. That was real interesting. Nice people but very blind. Usual "call no man father" nonsense. One guy used that one on me. GOING GOING GONE. IT'S A HOME RUN.

I have the debate and radio show on tape. Not sure what I will do with it yet.

Thanks again for all your prayers.

Blessings

Thessalonian

[Lil Red]

very cool! I'm glad it went well for you. You should do something with the tape, maybe give it to dUSt and he could put it on phatmass? I dunno. But you should do something with it to put it out into the world.

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[Dave]

That's wonderful, Thessalonian! Congrats!!! B)

[dUSt]

very cool!  I'm glad it went well for you.  You should do something with the tape, maybe give it to dUSt and he could put it on phatmass?  I dunno.  But you should do something with it to put it out into the world.

Pax, Edited by moderator: personal information

Thess, I'd be glad to put it online in streaming audio if you'd like.

Edited May 26, 2006 by Lil Red

[Lil Red]

That would be so cool to listen to!

[jmjtina]

Wow, thess, that is so amesome!!!!

I'd be willing to listen via internet!!!! I'm all ears! B)

[vianney]

yah thta would be cool

[cmotherofpirl]

If we get a chat room you could play it over the mic.

[littleflower+JMJ]

wow im so proud of you thess! im so glad to hear how things went....

know that we have been keeping you in our thoughts and prayers!

+JMJ

[KennC]

"I spent the first 25 minutes in scripture. ... He spent none."

... and I just gotta shake my head as an ex-Protestant when I hear things like "Catholics don't even know what a Bible looks like". I love my brothers but so often have to wonder, "what are .. you thinking".

Well done Thessalonian and God Bless you in your efforts.

Peace of Christ, Ken

[cmotherofpirl]

I first want to thank those who prayed for me.  I know that there were many prayers for me (thanks for yours) as my hands never came in to contact with his neck  :D .  I remained calm through all of the nonsense and though I am a nervous guy at heart, the nerves didn't get to me.

The debate was interesting.  He basically went the route "I can't figure out what infallibility actually is and I see some Catholics disagree with it, so  I am going to throw every sin of a Catholic Pope and every arguement that dissenters of the Catholic Church have at it".  He had some books by those who want women priests and quoted liberally out of them.  I refuted what I could of it.  But in general I feel pretty good about how things went.  I spent the first 25 minutes in scripture. He spent none.  This strikes me as very strange and I told him so in an email.  If scripture is for "correction, rebuke, teaching" (the usual Sola Scriptura veres) etc.  Then I am still wondering where my correction and rebuke came in.  I still haven't got it.  He weakly refuted some of what I had to say.  Some of it he disagreed with the usual protestant habadashery.  He agree that Peter had Primacy.  That men could be infallible (when writing scripture), that sins of popes don't mean much in the arguement.  He agrees with infallibility of the Church, though cannot lay his hands on exactly what it is.

At any rate scripture says in Heb 4:12 that the word of God is what convicts the soul and so that is what I presented.  He failed to do this and to that end I think he may have lost the debate with regard to the souls of those who were there.  They will not be at peace until they reconcile their lives with my scriptural presentation.

I was also on the radio for 45  minutes with him on Friday.  That was pretty benign as the woman who did the show did most of the talking.  I did get a plug in for the Eucharist and some quotes out of John 6.  She asked how my wife came to the Church.  John 6 was key to that. 

I do find the whole thing to be providential, falling on JP II's 25 aniversy. 

Much more I could say but that is the lowdown.  I feel pretty good about it.  There were 5 Catholics there (out of about 30 people).  Afterward these three anti-catholics came up and started debating us.  That was real interesting.  Nice people but very blind.  Usual "call no man father" nonsense.  One guy used that one on me.  GOING GOING GONE.  IT'S A HOME RUN.

I have the debate and radio show on tape.  Not sure what I will do with it yet.

Thanks again for all your prayers.

Blessings

Thessalonian

Lets see this guy believes in the primacy of Peter AND the in the infalliblilty of the Church.

He is halfway here already.

Do you want to invite him to phatmass?

[VeraMaria]

Wow thess, this is great!! B)

I prayed a rosary for you... :D

It would be really cool if we could listen to it via Internet!!

Pretty Pleeease?? :P

[Jake Huether]

Congrats!

As you know, we've also been envolved in a "private" debate with "pastor" Ed, in the other thread (no more rhyms I mean it... LOL).

Okay, well, he used the "call no man your father." line, but then followed it up with:

"Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works..."

Is that a laugh or what. In trying to disprove the call no man your father bit, he then quotes Paul as calling Abraham our father!

Hahahahaha~

We shouldn't laugh. We should really pray.

[VeraMaria]

As you know, we've also been envolved in a "private" debate with "pastor" Ed, in the other thread (no more rhyms I mean it... LOL).

We shouldn't laugh.  We should really pray.

How "private"!!!!!!!!!!!!

We shouldn't laugh.  We should really pray.

Yeah....we probably should....*Vera Makes a mental note to herself to set a day aside for this intention*

[Katholikos]

I doubt he believes in the infallibility of the CATHOLIC Church! He prolly means that 'invisible church of all true believers.' :blink:

[Katholikos]

Congrats!

As you know, we've also been envolved in a "private" debate with "pastor" Ed, in the other thread (no more rhyms I mean it... LOL).

Okay, well, he used the "call no man your father." line, but then followed it up with:

"Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works..."

Is that a laugh or what.  In trying to disprove the call no man your father bit, he then quotes Paul as calling Abraham our father!

Hahahahaha~ 

We shouldn't laugh.  We should really pray.

Is your discussion with Pastor Ed open to newbies? I looked his church up on the Net, but a different person was listed as pastor, and there was no email addy given, so I couldn't write. I'd like to write to him, (ex-)Baptist to Baptist. Do you have an address for him? Is his fiddler still on (no Catholics allowed)?

[Jake Huether]

Is your discussion with Pastor Ed open to newbies? I looked his church up on the Net, but a different person was listed as pastor, and there was no email addy given, so I couldn't write. I'd like to write to him, (ex-)Baptist to Baptist. Do you have an address for him? Is his fiddler still on (no Catholics allowed)?

Oh, please do! The more the better. But he requests that you don't use Catholic (with a C) in the title, because he has a fiddler. LOL.

So title it Katholic or something.

Edit...

Here's the address:

edrice4@linkny.com.

[Paladin D]

Job well done!

[nippy316]

Thess, I'd be glad to put it online in streaming audio if you'd like.

Sweet.....dUSt is da man....

Congrats Thess! And thanks for keeping us all in suspense like that! Just kidding...

[thessalonian]

Sweet.....dUSt is da man....

Congrats Thess! And thanks for keeping us all in suspense like that! Just kidding...

Thanks for the offer dust. I will likely when I get a chance to work on it get your address. My contract on my job runs out at the end of the month so I will probably find time then. I do want to refute the things that were left hanging so along with my posting the debate I will also answer many of the things in an article on IronMonk's board, Moraltruth.com. He has a spot for me there.

Blessings