Political Philosophy

[zunshynn]

I don't know. I am what I am.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='16 April 2010 - 11:35 AM' timestamp='1271435747' post='2094744']
I don't know. I am what I am.
[/quote]
It's so expected that it won't even be funny, but...
[img]http://itsokaynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/popeye.jpg[/img]

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='16 April 2010 - 10:38 AM' timestamp='1271435926' post='2094747']
It's so expected that it won't even be funny, but...
[img]http://itsokaynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/popeye.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

I COL'd

[zunshynn]

I didn't give you a +1 though.

I still think you have too many points.

If this was the time of the French Revolution you would probably be sent to the guillotine for being too popular.

Edited April 16, 2010 by zunshynn

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='16 April 2010 - 11:49 AM' timestamp='1271436549' post='2094758']
I didn't give you a +1 though.

I still think you have too many points.

If this was the time of the French Revolution you would probably be sent to the guillotine for being too popular.
[/quote]
I love you too.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

My political views are between me and the polling booth. Of course, I live in Cook County, Illinois, where the rule is that you vote the way that the person paying you tells you to vote. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/deal.gif[/img]


Obviously I am lying in a vain attempt to be funny. I once attended the class to become a precinct worker, and there are VERY strict rules in Cook County to ensure that voting is fair--proably stricter than many places. For example, Precinct workers in each polling place represent a 50-50 split of registered Democrats and Republicans, and all the "housekeeping" chores involved in setting up the polling places etc. must take place with at least one registered Republican and one registered Democrat in attendance.

So, despite the jokes, the dead no longer vote in Chicago. And, unlike when I moved to Chicago, if a cop pulls you over for speeding, you won't get out of the ticket automatically by folding up a $20 bill and discreeting handing it to the officer underneath your driver's license.

Edited April 17, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[havok579257]

can you even be a liberal or socialist and be a catholic?

[Winchester]

[quote name='havok579257' date='18 April 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1271567123' post='2095447']
can you even be a liberal or socialist and be a catholic?
[/quote]
Depends upon the usage of the terms. People are perfectly capable of holding contradictory positions. I don't think socialism is consistent with the Catholic view of human rights, even sans the atheistic bent.

[Socrates]

[quote name='havok579257' date='18 April 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1271567123' post='2095447']
can you even be a liberal or socialist and be a catholic?
[/quote]
Nope.

("Catholics" like Nancy Pelosi and the late Ted Kennedy to the contrary)

[Didymus]

I picked D, but I don't consider myself to be radical. I'm partial to Fr. Heinrich Pesch and his Solidarism, based on Catholic Social Teaching.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Didymus' date='19 April 2010 - 09:15 AM' timestamp='1271682931' post='2096172']
I'm partial to Fr. Heinrich Pesch and his Solidarism, based on Catholic Social Teaching.
[/quote]
Apparently Irina Galliulin digs Solidarism.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Didymus' date='19 April 2010 - 09:15 AM' timestamp='1271682931' post='2096172']
I picked D, but I don't consider myself to be radical.
[/quote]
I think you're way rad, dude.

[un.privileged]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1271567123' post='2095447']
can you even be a liberal or socialist and be a catholic?
[/quote]
A totalitarian socialist of course not, a democratic socialist? Perhaps. Democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic Social Doctrine, and has made a remarkable contribution to the formation of social consciousness.

Socialism could mean many things, two of the definitions are opposed to each other. One means State ownership and control all means of production (obviously contrary to the Catholic doctrine). The other could simply mean workers control of the means of production, instead by few stockholders. The latter definition is not contrary to the social doctrine.

[Winchester]

Enforced charity is not charity.

[Socrates]

[quote]Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.
. . . .

If Socialism, like all errors, contains some truth (which, moreover, the Supreme Pontiffs have never denied), it is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. [b]Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist.[/b] [/quote]

~ Pope Pius XI, [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19310515_quadragesimo-anno_en.html"][i]Quadragesimo Anno[/i][/url]