G-Freak12 Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 I was just wondering what y'all opinions were on transgenderism? My opinion is and I'm sure because most of y'all on here are Catholic agree with my opinion but I know a few arent, My opinion is that transgenderism like homosexuality was not created by God by rather by the devil and people who say "I was born transgendered" I beleive is not true because I beleive a person who is transgendered is so because they are not happy with how they were born because of certain reasons the list could go on and on about what those reasons are or because we all have temptations and things that the devil afflicted on us such as homosexuality, transgenderism suicidel impulses etc and transgendered people just give into these afflictions.... I hope I did not offend anyone on here who is transgendered or gay if so, I would like to add that this is just solely my opinion on the desease not the actual person... because I know a few gay people and they are some of the nicest people I know.... I dont not however know anyone who is transgendered but I'm sure they are some very nice individuals out there who are trans. because they are just the same as all of us its just they are inflicted with this disease.... and oh yes, in another thread I posted on soso something or other who said they were transgendered said "if you think the behavior of transgenderism is freaky then you think transgendered people are freaky" that statment I do not agree with as that would be the same as saying a gay person is just 100% gay they aren't anything else besides homosexual they cant play sports, write songs or act in plays... A person who is transgendered or gay or whatever is not 100% that they are a person who has feelings, has talents etc etc I hope i didn't offend this particular user saying this
crusader1234 Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Not to be rude, but try to organize your thoughts a little more before clicking the 'add thread' button so that we can get a clearer idea of what it is we are discussing. God Bless, Rich
G-Freak12 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Posted January 22, 2005 Sorry due to learning disabilities I have trouble organizing things
G-Freak12 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Posted January 22, 2005 thats okay I didn't expect u to know because well duh! I've never said that on here lol id be 100% amazed if you knew bc that would mean ur physic
homeschoolmom Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Ah, but Rich [b]is[/b] psychic-- beware... :ph34r:
G-Freak12 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Posted January 22, 2005 lol "Ah, but Rich is psychic-- beware... "
G-Freak12 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Posted January 22, 2005 come on peoplez!! reply!! whats ur opinion!??!?!?!
homeschoolmom Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 There are a couple of other threads on this topic. I think were all kinda burned out on it...
G-Freak12 Posted January 22, 2005 Author Posted January 22, 2005 I see... well **yawn** I'm tired im going to bed see y'all later God bless
Good Friday Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 My opinion on transgendered people is that God, infinitely perfect and blessed in Herself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created transgendered people to make them share in His own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to transgendered people. She calls them to seek Him, to know Her, to love Him with all their strength. She calls them together with all people, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of His family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent Her Son for them and for the many as Redeemer and Savior. In His Son and through Him, She invites transgendered people to become, in the Holy Spirit, His adopted children and thus heirs of Her blessed life (cf. [i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i], #1).
hyperdulia again Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 [quote name='Good Friday' date='Jan 21 2005, 11:27 PM'] My opinion on transgendered people is that God, infinitely perfect and blessed in Herself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created transgendered people to make them share in His own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to transgendered people. She calls them to seek Him, to know Her, to love Him with all their strength. She calls them together with all people, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of His family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent Her Son for them and for the many as Redeemer and Savior. In His Son and through Him, She invites transgendered people to become, in the Holy Spirit, His adopted children and thus heirs of Her blessed life (cf. [i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i], #1). [/quote] God as She isn't as scandalous as some might think. Female pronouns are used frequently in the Old Testament, and Julian of Norwick and Hildegarde of Bingen both described God as "Mother" and referred to Him as Her. The intent behind calling the Genderless God she becomes an issue--sometimes people do so to deny the most powerful and consistent way he has revealed himself to us--as male, father, lord, and husband.
Sinner Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Our Father who art in heaven........... female? hmmmmmm
curtins Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 yeah you know i dont know much about this whole transgender thing but i would think its a bit like homosexuality- so its like if you control it its all good. you know like ppl say homosexuals are bad just cuz they are homosexual- thats rong whats bad is the act of acting upon liking the same sex. but chastity is all good so yeah. im not against transgenders or gays or what ever im against any sins that those people AND heterosexuals commit- heck what am i saying im against all sins but you guys get my point
Good Friday Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 [quote name='Sinner']Our Father who art in heaven........... female? hmmmmmm[/quote] It's just not that simple. As Hyper said, there are numerous references to God in the Old Testament using feminine pronouns and terms. For instance, Holy Sophia (Wisdom) is referred to in various books of the Old Testament as feminine. She is referred to as feminine in Proverbs, Sirach and Wisdom. Theologians agree that Holy Sophia is to be identified with God; some believe that She is to be identified with the Second Person of the Trinity, and some believe that She is to be identified with the Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit. I tend to go with the latter interpretation. In the first creation story of Genesis, God is called by the name Elohim -- this is a feminine plural name. The connotation is that God, in the creation of all that is seen and unseen, is acting in a way that is more feminine than masculine -- and that all three Persons of the Trinity have feminine qualities (hence the use of the plural). In the book of Genesis and throughout the Old Testament, the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit is called [i]Ruach[/i] -- a feminine noun that means "spirit," "breath" or "wind." In Genesis, the Holy Spirit is referred to as [i]Ruach Elohim[/i] -- the Spirit of God, the Spirit (feminine singular) of God (feminine plural). If we were to speak of the Holy Spirit in Hebrew today, we would call Her [i]Ruach haChodesh[/i], which means "Holy Spirit" in Hebrew. The noun is still feminine. In the New Testament, the word used for Spirit ([i]pneuma[/i]) is gender neutral. This is strong evidence that the Holy Spirit has strongly feminine characteristics. In Jewish tradition, the Presence of God, which dwelled in the Temple and now (according to the Jews) dwells with the Jews in diaspora, is called the [i]Shekinah[/i]. The [i]Shekinah[/i] is perceived as feminine. The [i]Shekinah's[/i] connection to the Holy Spirit is clear -- and many believe that the Jewish belief in [i]Shekinah[/i] is an early, imperfect belief in the Holy Spirit. Of course, the beliefs are not identical. The Jews believe that the [i]Shekinah[/i] is an emanation of God, not a Divine Person. Still, it can't be disputed that Jewish beliefs in [i]Shekinah[/i] formed and influenced Christian belief in [i]Ruach haChodesh[/i]. In the New Testament, while most of Jesus' parables speak of God as Father, there are also parables which speak of God in feminine characteristics. Jesus even speaks of Himself as wanting to care for Jerusalem as a mother cares for her young -- He speaks of Himself in feminine terms. As Hyper also mentioned, various saints and mystics have referred to God in feminine terms and as Mother -- St. Hildegard of Bingen and Bl. Julian of Norwich are only a couple of examples. Even Pope John Paul I and Pope John Paul II have referred to God as Mother. A September 10, 1999 article by Richard Owen in [i]The Times, London[/i] mentioned that Pope John Paul I admonished pilgrims in 1978 that God is "the Father, but is also the Mother." In 1999, during his General Audience, Pope John Paul II said: [quote]The hands of God hold us up, they hold us tight, they give us strength. But at the same time they give us comfort, they console and caress us. They are the hands of a father and a mother at the same time. (Note: Pope John Paul II made these comments during his [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_08091999_en.html"]General Audience[/url] of September 8, 1999. He went on to discuss this at great length).[/quote] In my view, then, there is nothing wrong with speaking of God in feminine terms. I chose to speak of God in masculine and feminine terms interchangeably in this thread in deference to our transgendered brothers and sisters, to remind them that God is, in a sense, [i]transgendered[/i] -- God transcends gender and is neither male nor female, while also having characteristics of both masculinity and femininity.
jasJis Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 I always considered God as being Complete-Gendered, which means He is complete and is MORE than being male and female, which is why we are complete in Him. Using gendered speech with discussing I Am Who Am is just human convenience because we are [b]so[/b] not God.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Since Jesus called God his Father, I think most of us will still go by His perference.
Good Friday Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl']Since Jesus called God his Father, I think most of us will still go by His perference.[/quote] As will I, in most cases. I wasn't arguing that anyone [b]should[/b] refer to God in feminine terms, only that it can be legitimately done. The norm for Christians is God as Father, and I don't dispute that, nor do I dispute the use of masculine terms in liturgy and prayer.
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