Can some explain rap/hip-hop...

[zealousrap]

[quote name='musturde' date='Jan 25 2005, 11:24 PM'] Now, the idea of Catholic rap is dope and i back it all the way. I just don't think everyone needs to nor is called to do it. [/quote]
I agree. My rap is a ministry for me...but I am called to do it that way. Not everyone is called to do the same thing. That's flirting with the idea of developing a Christian rap standard, a product, an army of clones. We have been given different talents for different reasons. So for those trying to cast the first stone at Bob, I suggest you assess your own vocation and work to fulfill it. Judgement is going to hit you as hard as you judge others, so walk a mile in the other pesons shoes before you make conclusions.

[dUSt]

Here's an example of some rap lyrics I like...

[i]"He steps right through that door. Drops his bags and his heart on the floor. He embraces her embrace until she can't take it anymore. Put's his faith in her face, waits to exhale that first kiss, pale from the wishes he'd get back from all the memories that he missed. The blistering pace that moves across the globe to God knows wherever, never knew he'd have to daisy chain those loose sins back together. Never knew love like this, never knew sacrifice before. It's his first chance to pass his life out at your local record store. Holds a lifetime in his arm, then he kisses her goodnight, wipes the dream from his daughter's face to let her know that she's aight. On his flight, grips tattered edges of a picture framed in fingerprints, a single glimps of innocence and a sixty second phone call seems infinite. All said and done wrong, gone in an instant, for the man in physical form who's heart beats with the speed of an infant. Typical storm weather with an aftertaste--adrenaline letdown--after the show, three hours of sleep, let's see how far we can get now. Get down to business, get the crowd hyped, get the party started, get back home to his wife and show these people where his heart is. He pities the heartless, the man who can't see trees from the forest, he masterminds the revolution when he's taking out the garbage. Drops his carcass in his favorite chair and wonders if he can make it there, he looks at each brand new day square in the face with a vacant stare. He lays it bare on the record to pull this whole world back together. He just wants to make it better."[/i] - manCHILD

[Guest]

man those are tight lyrics
-_-

[Claudine]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Jan 25 2005, 09:22 PM'] I think most of B's music is suppose to be taken as comedy.

[/quote]
Ill Find out.
BUt I don't think so.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Claudine' date='Jan 26 2005, 09:34 PM'] Ill Find out.
BUt I don't think so. [/quote]
If not... My bad.

[Fat Buddha]

to add on to DJ 86's post...

There are actually 5 elements of hip-hop:

-mcing/rapping
-djing
-writing/graffiti art
-b-boying/b-girling/break dancing
-beatboxing

Beatboxing is not as widespread and sometimes considered a 'dying art form' so it's often overlooked. BTW, beatboxing is vocal percussion, essentially making beats with your voice/vocal box. (I just had to add this cuz I'm a beatboxer/DJ.)

[MichaelFilo]

I was also in the long thread about B's music. To put it quite simply, sir, all in all, it's mean tot attract a hip-hop culture with chaste intentions, but since hip-hop culture is so contaminated, it's really hard to do that without seeming unchaste even with oppisite intentions entirely. You will enjoy mos tof the other Catholic rap you here, but as I have come to understand, unlike other Catholic rappers, Rightous B is just a Catholic who raps, not a Catholic rapper. If you don't get the difference, please see the long thread.

God bless,
Mikey

[Guest Eremite]

The whole concept of "music isn't my ministry" strikes me as barren of any inherent worth in the context of hip hop. Hip hop is an expression of who you are, what you are. You are not only a doctrinal creature, of course. There are many facets to a Catholic's life that are not explicitly related to Catholic revelation. Catholics face the same problems and joys in life as any other man. Your music can be legitimately diverse in its presentation of yourself, and the message you want to get out. But, ultimately, the aim is to say something with your music. This is true for secular artists as much as it is for Christian artists. Is the point of music just to be fun and games? Suppose you make an album. The substance of it should say something, IMO. Sure, there are going to be one or two tracks that may be lighthearted and just meant to be fun. But if they constitute the majority of your music, I'm going to have to question why I'm even listening to you. You offer me nothing to grow as a Catholic or as a human being. The two are not opposed, mind you. You can reach non-Catholics without sacrificing substance and meaning in your music.

Also, as I said in my previous post, there are some elements of hip hop that just need to die the death. They can't be reformed for Christian purposes. I don't want to hear you rapping about bustin' a cap in a demons rear end. The whole "gangsta" element of hip hop is stupid. I think the same can be said about much of the "party" mentality in hip hop. Not that there's anything wrong with a party, but as I said, when that is the substance of your music, it fails to serve any useful purpose, be it Catholic or human. This may be an element whereby Righteous B falls short (as described by SevenSorrows, though as I said, I can't comment on him specifically).

[Claudine]

[b]Fat Buddha[/b] nice nickname,

Edited January 27, 2005 by Claudine

[Fat Buddha]

thnx claudine

[musturde]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Jan 26 2005, 10:26 PM'] The whole concept of "music isn't my ministry" strikes me as barren of any inherent worth in the context of hip hop. Hip hop is an expression of who you are, what you are. You are not only a doctrinal creature, of course. There are many facets to a Catholic's life that are not explicitly related to Catholic revelation. Catholics face the same problems and joys in life as any other man. Your music can be legitimately diverse in its presentation of yourself, and the message you want to get out. But, ultimately, the aim is to say something with your music. This is true for secular artists as much as it is for Christian artists. Is the point of music just to be fun and games? Suppose you make an album. The substance of it should say something, IMO. Sure, there are going to be one or two tracks that may be lighthearted and just meant to be fun. But if they constitute the majority of your music, I'm going to have to question why I'm even listening to you. You offer me nothing to grow as a Catholic or as a human being. The two are not opposed, mind you. You can reach non-Catholics without sacrificing substance and meaning in your music.

Also, as I said in my previous post, there are some elements of hip hop that just need to die the death. They can't be reformed for Christian purposes. I don't want to hear you rapping about bustin' a cap in a demons rear end. The whole "gangsta" element of hip hop is stupid. I think the same can be said about much of the "party" mentality in hip hop. Not that there's anything wrong with a party, but as I said, when that is the substance of your music, it fails to serve any useful purpose, be it Catholic or human. This may be an element whereby Righteous B falls short (as described by SevenSorrows, though as I said, I can't comment on him specifically). [/quote]
I never said it wasn't his ministry, i said it wasn't his sole ministry. His music is half of it.

[musturde]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Jan 26 2005, 10:26 PM']

Also, as I said in my previous post, there are some elements of hip hop that just need to die the death. They can't be reformed for Christian purposes. I don't want to hear you rapping about bustin' a cap in a demons rear end. The whole "gangsta" element of hip hop is stupid. I think the same can be said about much of the "party" mentality in hip hop. Not that there's anything wrong with a party, but as I said, when that is the substance of your music, it fails to serve any useful purpose, be it Catholic or human. This may be an element whereby Righteous B falls short (as described by SevenSorrows, though as I said, I can't comment on him specifically). [/quote]
You obviously never even listened to either of his albums. If of you had, you would have seen he was trying a new style with this new album. I personally like his old style more, which he's revamping with some other tight stuff. His old cd was more direct on what it talked about. I personally thought his song against the devil was witty on the old cd. If you're talking about the new one, i wasnt the biggest fan of that song either (it was one of my least fav on the album). I think putting it into a gangsta style matters on how it's done. I think they coulda done a bit better on it but Bob's verse was pretty good on it. His "party" songs are trying to get the message across that being Catholic isn't soley about being some clean-cut dork or being some extremist psycho and that you can actually have fun and be in the faith.

[musturde]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Jan 26 2005, 09:53 PM'] I was also in the long thread about B's music. To put it quite simply, sir, all in all, it's mean tot attract a hip-hop culture with chaste intentions, but since hip-hop culture is so contaminated, it's really hard to do that without seeming unchaste even with oppisite intentions entirely. You will enjoy mos tof the other Catholic rap you here, but as I have come to understand, unlike other Catholic rappers, Rightous B is just a Catholic who raps, not a Catholic rapper. If you don't get the difference, please see the long thread.

God bless,
Mikey [/quote]
I still think putting specifications on it is useless but sure, to be specific, he's a Christian musician with a Catholic ministry.

[Guest Eremite]

[quote]I never said it wasn't his ministry, i said it wasn't his sole ministry. His music is half of it.[/quote]

Thank you for the correction. But my comments were on the function of hip hop itself, independent of the artist.

[quote]You obviously never even listened to either of his albums.[/quote]

No. That's why I didn't comment on him personally. All I know about him is what SevenSorrows has said about him.

[musturde]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Jan 27 2005, 07:07 PM']
Thank you for the correction. But my comments were on the function of hip hop itself, independent of the artist.
[/quote]
Sorry, i missenterpreted what you meant. Usually there's a lotta random Anti-Bob carp that shows up out of no where and most posts I've seen about him on the muzik lounge were either weak disses or weird misconceptions. In fact, there's one thread about him that's one of the longest on the music lounge.

[zealousrap]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Jan 27 2005, 07:07 PM']
Thank you for the correction. But my comments were on the function of hip hop itself, independent of the artist.



All I know about him is what SevenSorrows has said about him. [/quote]
the thing with Bob though is that you can't look at his music by itself...he is a youth minister, and started rapping to get the teens from his youth group in Schenectady NY interested in God. That got their attention, but his day in and day out ministry is what he is all about. so yes if you look through the objective eye his lyrics don't fill the role you might like them to, but it works for him in his youth ministry. Before we say more lets remind ourselves that we are imperfect humans and can't always be the perfect people we strive to be.

Edited January 28, 2005 by zealousrap