jezic Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 ohh really. Have you ever used it in cunjuction with conventional medicine? What is so bad about it? Saying don't do it doesn't help much.
crusader1234 Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Holistic medicine works, and I highly reccomend it. Of course, if you're talking New Age Mysticism with like 'place sage on your belly', thats wrong. But taking holistic remedies is defiantely a good alternative. ESPECIALLY a good alternative to antibiotics.
Socrates Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 I was thinking about that "manipulating energy fields" type stuff. Some alt medicine is good, but there are a lot of quacks out there.
jezic Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 yes the whole energy field thing can get dangerous. THere are also many people who go to far. Personally i am not so sure anymore. I don't see it as truly bad, however it has a great potential for evil. Some peolple might wonder how, but it really depends "who" besides the person is doing the healing. Energy will naturally flow from one body to another without even conscious thought however asking some outside force to do the work is where the danger comes in.
MichaelFilo Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 What other way would you get energy to transmit other than that or cables? God bless, Mikey
Guest Aluigi Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 my gf is always eatin "organic food" and soy milk and all this crazy natural stuff. I told her if there was less hippy terminology I wouldn't mind. If it wasn't organic/natural, but rather called medieval, I'd be all for it (cuz they grew stuff naturally back in medieval times )
jezic Posted January 27, 2005 Author Posted January 27, 2005 i like soymilk. I was more interested if anyone thinks that holistic medicine contradicts Catholic beliefs. anyone want to take a stab at it? please ....
Socrates Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 Transcendental meditation and similar hinduistic New Age practices can be spiritually very dangerous. Most practices probably do not contradict the Church, but many are of dubious scientific/medical value (that's another debate though). "Holistic medicine" can include a wide variety of practices. You have to be more specific to discuss moral value.
jezic Posted January 27, 2005 Author Posted January 27, 2005 k then start with something specific, have you ever heard of reiki? I don't mean the spiritual aspect of it that is neo-new age. i mean more the actual practice.
jezic Posted January 27, 2005 Author Posted January 27, 2005 wait, sorry that isn't a good one. IN reiki they are intrinsically linked. there is not one without the other. hm...... stuff like acupuncture doesn't really have spiritual sides. It is simply the flow of energy which has documented effects...... transcendental meditation can be bad yes, but it is strange because it closely mirrors Christian meditation with a few twists. Don't quote me on that though cause i am not sure. I don't know a whole lot about it. um.... other than that most of the stuff that i think of is a combination of simple energy stuff and then just natural remedies for stuff.
Guest Aluigi Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 no, reiki is gravely immoral and should never be practiced. it is inseperable with the new age and poisonous to the soul. stay away from that.
jezic Posted January 27, 2005 Author Posted January 27, 2005 i understand that now. I have heard things about it. My bout with reiki was wierd though. I don't think i ever really understood why it was bad because i never knew what it was. To me something like that is more like praying a healing prayer while touching someone but the spirituality of the reiki stuff didn't make sense. which was a good thing. I still don't see how it is so wrong, but before anyone goes to far, it is because i still don't understand it and i don't want to anymore. It is simply another thing in the world that should be avoided. Some reiki concepts are not so evil though. I wonder how the rest of it got so messed up.
crusader1234 Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 Accupuncture isn't evil. I've had it done, and its quite effective. Anyways, Aloysius, why are you so up against being a hippy? If you spend your whole life avoiding labels you're going to look a plum fool. I (try to) eat organic, but I also end up eating quite a lot of McDonalds. Also, Soy milk is far far far better for you than regular milk. It also tastes better, IMO.
Birgitta Noel Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 [url="http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?art_id=27130&vm_id=64"]This may be of interest....[/url]It just showed up in my inbox! Have a look....
jezic Posted January 27, 2005 Author Posted January 27, 2005 Dr. Usui meditated for many days on a mountain. Not in a buddhist temple. They are right in the aspect that reiki does not have a spiritual congruence with Catholicism. it is a "form of secret knowledge". However, as a stark contrast in the light of the Gospel and the wisdom of Jesus Christ the entire concept takes on a different light as you ask God to heal the person while laying your hands. THe rest happens without conscious thought. The disciples did this quite often. Any spiritual value from the original system is negated by Christ and transformed to be a person is asking God for the healing of another individual. So yes, reiki as it is in the new age movement is very dangerous. Rename it and add God in and you have the first several hundred years of physician work.
jezic Posted January 27, 2005 Author Posted January 27, 2005 i like that article that you referenced. It is quite useful; however, it does not contain everything. This might not be the spot to critique it but i will add some stuff for discussion. after thinking about the argument i was going to make, it is obvious to me that the larger part of the new age movement is not how i see it. the stuff on reincarnation is also interesting. I do not think that is tied to the whole movement. It seems like the article did take a whole field of study and group it together as one thing. Kind of like protestants that don't understand the different parts and rites of the Catholic church. They tend to think that everyone is the same many times when really it is nothing like that. There are several different movements at work in the "new age". Many are wrong and bad and deal with stuff that is better left alone. I think that striving for a more perfect union with reality (like not materialistic western stuff) is not detrimental as long as it is done in perfect humility, prayer, and Christian meditation. Going into the spiritual aspects would certainly be bad. How many people really do that though? It might be that i only glimpsed inside and saw what i wanted to see. Any other inputs?
cmotherofpirl Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 [quote name='jezic' date='Jan 26 2005, 04:20 PM'] How bout it? what do you think? [/quote] Can you define this a bit more?
Lil Red Posted January 27, 2005 Posted January 27, 2005 well what about yoga? i know some practices of it are spiritually dangerous, but others are okay. i'm confused about this as well.
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