False accusation

[vianney]

What exactly did they say Dave?

[Dave]

I'd rather not go into detail on the board, but I'd be happy to e-mail, PM, or IM anyone about what it was.

[vianney]

Dave, IM or send a msn message.

[Norseman82]

Well, hopefully the pastor has done or will do something about it. How well do you get along with your pastor? Does your pastor support you in this matter?

[dUSt]

[quote name='Dave' date='Feb 14 2005, 07:34 PM'] It's the type of thing that could escalate and seriously damage or destroy one's reputation. [/quote]
Last I heard, Christ is not concerned with one's reputation. He is the one we should all be trying to make happy.

[MichaelFilo]

Christ isn't, but destroying reputations is a serious sin. Believe it or not, our reputations precede us. We are known before we are met by our reputation. Hence the no holding false witness, because lieing about somebody is destroying their reputation. Take every lump with a smile and a "thank you Lord" because it could be worse.

God bless,
Mikey

[Norseman82]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Feb 15 2005, 12:31 AM'] Christ isn't, but destroying reputations is a serious sin. Believe it or not, our reputations precede us. We are known before we are met by our reputation. Hence the no holding false witness, because lieing about somebody is destroying their reputation. Take every lump with a smile and a "thank you Lord" because it could be worse.

God bless,
Mikey [/quote]
CCC 2487 confirms this (I need to get to bed so I won't type it out now; we as Catholics should all should have a copy anyway).

Another thing to remember is that if Dave (or anyone else, for that matter!) is involved or is trying to get involved in his parish, false accusations are an [i][u]unnecessary[/u][/i] distraction.

[Dave]

dUSt and Norseman:

Check your e-mails.

[mulls]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 15 2005, 01:26 AM'] Last I heard, Christ is not concerned with one's reputation. He is the one we should all be trying to make happy. [/quote]
i kindly disagree. the Lord calls us to a high standard of holiness and righteousness, so people will see our behavior and works and glorify God because of it. if our testimony is damaged and our credibility hurt, people will not glorify God. i've seen how this works.

[BLAZEr]

Well, Mulls, let me introduce you to St. Catherine of Sienna who was certainly maligned and her reputation destroyed and died without a single friend in the world . . . except Jesus. SHe is a Doctor of the Church today.

There are also Sts. Padre Pio, Lawrence Justinian, Angela Foligno, Bernardine of Siena, Peter Claver, Pius XII, and Joan of Arck . . . among others.

[theculturewarrior]

Everybody has a right to a good name. That [b]is Catholic doctrine.[/b] Sins against reputation are sins against the person maligned and against God. It's in the Catechism. That said, rejoice and be glad, if you are being persecuted as the prophets were before you.

I honestly don't know what people think of me. I sense I'm disliked, but because with my psychological make-up, I vacillate between paranoia and naivity, I never know what's up.

[BLAZEr]

Yes, defamation, slander, and calumny are all sins. But it is not our job, when defamed, slandered, or calumnied to get worked up about it. Our response is to "endure wrongs patiently" like it says in the Spiritual Works of Mercy.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Feb 15 2005, 11:52 AM'] Yes, defamation, slander, and calumny are all sins. But it is not our job, when defamed, slandered, or calumnied to get worked up about it. Our response is to "endure wrongs patiently" like it says in the Spiritual Works of Mercy. [/quote]
Why does Christ's warning about avoiding the example of the Pharisees come to mind after reading this post????

[BLAZEr]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 15 2005, 02:32 PM'] Why does Christ's warning about avoiding the example of the Pharisees come to mind after reading this post???? [/quote]
My post? Help me out . . . I'm not sure I understand . . .

[Norseman82]

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Feb 15 2005, 02:03 PM'] My post? Help me out . . . I'm not sure I understand . . . [/quote]
If you mean "don't overreact" or "pick your battles", I have no problem.

But if "enduring wrongs patiently" means not defending yourself at all, even if you are harmed, it could potentially be one of those "heavy burdens laid on the backs of men".

[theculturewarrior]

Isn't rebuking sinners also a spiritual work of mercy?

[Donna]

Dave, I pray the Holy Face of Jesus make the truth known, asap.

Ask St. Theresa of Avila to help (I will, too).

Keep your chin up, buddy.

[BLAZEr]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 16 2005, 01:11 AM'] If you mean "don't overreact" or "pick your battles", I have no problem.

But if "enduring wrongs patiently" means not defending yourself at all, even if you are harmed, it could potentially be one of those "heavy burdens laid on the backs of men". [/quote]
I guess in the imitation of Christ it means to respond as he did to the accusations and lies and slanders he received . . .

How did he react again?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Feb 16 2005, 11:36 AM'] I guess in the imitation of Christ it means to respond as he did to the accusations and lies and slanders he received . . .

How did he react again? [/quote]
What Christ did was necessary to fulfill OT prophecy for the salvation of the world. Please show me what OT prophecy Dave would be fulfilling and how it is necessary for the gates of Heaven to be opened (or reopened).

Bottom line: Please show me from the CCC that defending one's self against slander is a sin, because if it were, I'm sure it would be there, since it comments on multitudes of other sins.