Evidence for the Real Presence

[Matt Black]

Indeed, people can be zealous and still mistaken. Waco, anyone?

Yours in Christ

Matt

[jasJis]

Matt,
Did you check out any of the links that phatcatholic provided?

You will not find ANY proof that will overwelm your will to disbelieve. It's a free-will thing.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Matt Black' date='Apr 4 2005, 11:16 AM'] Indeed, people can be zealous and still mistaken. Waco, anyone?

Yours in Christ

Matt [/quote]
The people at Waco did not freely walk into a lions den singing praises of Christ.

[IamCatholic]

If you think about the Apostles, but this doesn't necessarily mean all the martyrs, I think that would be a pretty good argument because if the Apostles really "made up" parts of the Gospels, as many rationalists claim, than they would definitely not have been martyred. If you go any further than the Apostles, I think the argument gets weaker because they could have faith in something that is not necessarily true, but the Apostles would be the actual "culprits" in fabricating a religion, so I think they would definitely not have died, but they were all martyrs (except St. John, who I think is considered a martyr because didn't he drink wine or something with poison in it, knowing he was going to die but he didnt'?). I think there is a special blessing for wines on his memorial day.

Edited April 5, 2005 by IamCatholic

[Matt Black]

[quote name='jasJis' date='Apr 4 2005, 05:06 PM'] Matt,
Did you check out any of the links that phatcatholic provided?

You will not find ANY proof that will overwelm your will to disbelieve.  It's a free-will thing. [/quote]
I have no will to disbelieve. I have a will to believe and to practice what I know to be true - and I am searching for that knowledge and truth. Please assist me in my search; that's why I post these questions.

Yours in Christ

Matt

Edited April 5, 2005 by Matt Black