How The U.S. Murdered a City

[jasJis]

The next thing you know, the US is going to car bomb a mosque.

Oh, wait. That's the "insurgents".

[Scofizzle]

[quote name='DonCamillo' date='Feb 18 2005, 12:29 PM'] And the pictures here (link below) are false too?
[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5891"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5891[/url]




Note: Channel 4 News of the UK

[url="http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=5885"]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.p...article_id=5885[/url] [/quote]
no the pics may be real but were not killed by Americans. I remember hearing a story about how the terrorists were using civilians as hostages when Fallujah fell....

Think about it.....there may have been some collateral damage and a few innocent lives lost but the scope of the stroy you are talking about is BS and you know it.

[curtins]

Yeah here is the thing- you guys are actually going to beleive this story??? Cause I or anyone for that matter- could right a story just like it. As it was pointed out- if this was true it would be all over the libral media but it is just SO far out in left field that its even too many lies for them. Our soldiers are NOT murderers as this story portrays them to be. I just love how everything is the US soldiers fault- but really- if the insurgents had surendered there would have been very little to no fighting in fulujah. The terrorists are the ones killing the inocents here-not the us soldiers. ITs quite simple- if the terrorists stop- the fighting stops. We as spreaders of freedom and democracy will not stop untill the terrorists have been stop. We target killers of inocents- not inocents. There will be civilian casualties but that is NOT by design. Why is it the librals are so intent on making our brave soldiers out to be criminals???

I just dont get it. I'd like to see you go over there and fight. Yeah, thought so.

btw HERE is a real story for you- [url="http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/102005mf.asp"]http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/102005mf.asp[/url]

Edited February 18, 2005 by curtins

[argent_paladin]

1. Look at the source. Socialist and other anti-American organizations. The doctor predicted that the elections wouldn't occur or that if they did, they would fail.
2. Look at the facts. No statistics, just anecdotes. Saddam killed millions, supported by the UN. UN sanctions killed an estimated half-a-million children. It is completely false to assert that Iraq was peaceful before the US arrived. The people of Iraq faced much greater chances of death at the hands of Saddam's thugs, or fighting in Saddam's wars against Iran and Kuwait. If you care about the Iraqi people, you should be overjoyed that Saddam is in prison, since no one in history has been responsible for the deaths of more Iraqis. You should also support the defeat of the insurgency, because if the insurgents are victorious, the Baath party will win and the bloodshed will continue. Fallujah was a center of death and terror for months. Now it is far more peaceful.
3. Also, civilians were warned that the US would come in and were given the opportunity to leave. The US could have leveled the city, without a single American casualty, but they risked American lives by fighting house to house because they value the lives of Iraqis.
4. If you are against war, you should be for US action, because the US is seeking to achieve peace as soon as possible? Do you think Bush wants war? Or the soldiers or generals in Iraq? They would want nothing more than peace. But do you really think that if the US left tomorrow there would be peace? In the contrary, there would be a horrific civil war and the blood of millions of Iraqis would be on our hands. The only choice we have that leads to peace is to help the legitimate government of Iraq eliminate the terrorists who are killing its citizens. That is the only way.

[delta557]

Nobody here (including me) has room to judge the actions that soldiers make in combat. None of us have ever been in a war, and we most likely never will go into a battle. People expect that since we've got so much technology and money that everything we do should be perfect. They think that there shouldn't be any accidental civilian deaths, no mistakes at all. Well, that's war. It's horrible, but that's just what it is...there's nothing clean about it. Everyone is human, and we all make mistakes, especially when put under the stress of dealing with life or death decisions. So I'm sure (if the original story is authentic) that Americans have done some bad things over there, but that doesn't mean that every soldier over there is a criminal. And who is it again that beheads innocent civilians and then plays it on the internet?

curtins is soo right, too

[Ash Wednesday]

Hurrah for the young socialists out there who probably never had to live under the iron curtain, those lucky kids!

God bless those "freedom fighters" those good ol' boys like Al-Zarqawi and his daisy-sniffing cronies who REALLY wouldn't touch a fly and have called this a fight "against democracy!"

I mean, come on, are you people crazy? Don't you realize it's not hip to defend the U.S. military? Do the cool thing and bash the U.S. because it's such an easy target, you know? It's so much easier to rip on the U.S. at all costs and disregard any good our silly country has done.

Don't do something terribly uncool thing like defend the 4000 or so unborn that die daily. Because that just doesn't come across as "hip." It's much, much hipper to care about all that, like, other "social injustice" stuff, ya know? Because the left is really the only side that knows what they're talking about. Until you get out of college, that is. Then everyone get tired of paying taxes and becomes Republican.

[curtins]

amen aw

[Winchester]

Why is this not on the debate table?

Evidence beyond "eyewitness" is needed to convince, gentlepersons. There are also claims that the US is kidnapping people and sawing their heads off whilst blaming terrorists.

Atorcities happen. They are not unique to US personnel. Soldiers are killers.

I repeat, who is napping to allow this debate to continue on this board?

[MichaelFilo]

Good thing this topic was moved while I was typing(so my post wasn't posted). I said some pretty mean things. Sorry even if you don't know what I said.

God bless,
Mikey

[Phatmasser777]

Just so ppl know:

- It wasn't posted to incite angry debate.
(But to show what the US military REALLY does, not the 'heroic' stills and so-called, 'battles' [which are usually against 2-3 insurgent fighters, not a couple hundred, where some news corps. go]).

- It's a first hand account of US terrorism against a native population.
- It gives detail into the life of occupied Iraqi lives.


[b] Up The Resistence! [/b]

[jasJis]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Feb 19 2005, 05:22 AM'] Just so ppl know:

- It wasn't posted to incite angry debate.
(But to show what the US military REALLY does, not the 'heroic' stills and so-called, 'battles' [which are usually against 2-3 insurgent fighters, not a couple hundred, where some news corps. go]).

- It's a first hand account of US terrorism against a native population.
- It gives detail into the life of occupied Iraqi lives. [/quote]
snicker...

Okay. I'll stop feeding the Troll.

[jasJis]

[quote]BAGHDAD, Iraq(AP) Five blasts in Iraq, including at least four suicide bombings, killed at least 12 people Saturday as Shiite Muslim worshippers around the country celebrated the holiest day of the year. The attacks came one day after a string of bombings killed at least 36 people.

Saturday's attacks, during the religious festival of Ashoura, came despite stepped-up security around the country. [u]Authorities had hoped to prevent a repeat of last year's attacks during Ashoura, in which insurgents killed at least 181 people in twin blasts in Karbala and Baghdad.[/u]
At least four blasts were suicide bombings, while the fifth occurred inside a public bus in Baghdad, killing at least one child and five adults. The bus was stopped in the northern Kadhimiya neighborhood, which is predominantly Shiite, but there were no further details on the explosion or casualties.[/quote]This is the enemy the US is fighting.

[curtins]

exactly. Open your eyes and ears and please understand that these terrorists are women children- all sorts of people- killers. They kill people at funerals, they kill them going to work, at play, riding a bus, walking on the street, in a store. They kill them anywhere and anyhow they can. They kidnap and kill contracters that are trying to rebuild the country's inferstructer. Open your eyes mister phatmasser777 to the REAL enemy. You're hate speach against the US military makes you look as if you side with the killers of women and children. Its one thing to disagree weather or not we should be in Iraq- its another to call our troops baby killers and savages like the scum that we flushed out of fulujah.

Thank you.

[crusader1234]

Curtins, just a suggestion but sometimes you might want to consider spell-checking.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Feb 19 2005, 06:22 AM']Just so ppl know:

- It wasn't posted to incite angry debate.
(But to show what the US military REALLY does, not the 'heroic' stills and so-called, 'battles' [which are usually against 2-3 insurgent fighters, not a couple hundred, where some news corps. go]).

- It's a first hand account of US terrorism against a native population.
- It gives detail into the life of occupied Iraqi lives.


[b] Up The Resistence! [/b][/quote]
Whatever you were doing, please stop. Seriously, don't make any more of these threads.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Feb 19 2005, 03:58 PM'] Curtins, just a suggestion but sometimes you might want to consider spell-checking. [/quote]
Ok, we are SOOOOO not starting the spell-checking war again.

Or the gramatical war.


If you need clarity on a post please ask.

[save ferris 101]

[quote name='Catholictothecore' date='Feb 18 2005, 10:57 AM'] This is tragic. But the army did what it needed to do. Do you think it would be any differant if the tides were turned? Do you think the Iraqis "insurgents" would hesitate murdering thousands of Americans? We know they wouldn't. (a little showed this; it was called 9/11, I believe. And yes, those weren't iraqis but they were not our friends, and perhaps would've sided with the iraqis.) [/quote]
What in the ****. If this story was true, which I don't even remotely believe, even if I am against the war, then what you just said is the stupidest thing that I have ever heard. Killing unarmed civilians and tricking them into thinking they will be freed and then shooting them is not doing "what it needed to do" And who cares if the tides were turned? What is right does not depend on who is in power. Also, just because the Iraqi ""insurgents"" would do that, doesn't mean we should. And you call yourself a Catholic. You may be, but you sure aren't an intelligent one.

And as for this article, I highly doubt it. While it may be argued that the war, our nation, and our soldiers are imperialists and warmongers and whatever else, the army does not purposefully kill civilians for no reason, especially ours. Not only that, but this source,and all the others listed, are not credible. Why havn't we heard about this before? It happened months ago.

[save ferris 101]

I just thought I would post this, after reading the rest of this thread. There has not been an intelligent post in here this whole time. At all. I am not even kidding. Is it too hard to ask you guys, on both sides of the argument, to use your brains?

[argent_paladin]

[quote name='save ferris 101' date='Feb 19 2005, 07:41 PM'] There has not been an intelligent post in here this whole time. At all. I am not even kidding. Is it too hard to ask you guys, on both sides of the argument, to use your brains? [/quote]
Iiiinteresting... So, there literally hasn't been an intelligent post, at all? Even the post just before? Well, that was your post, so I guess you are contributing to the idiocy of the thread? Or maybe your post was an example of how people aren't using their brains, since it seems quite silly to say that no posts were intelligent, because that would include your own posts.
It's sorta like the town barber who cuts everyone's hair who doesn't cut his own hair. But then, does he cut his own hair or not?

[save ferris 101]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Feb 19 2005, 09:48 PM'] Iiiinteresting... So, there literally hasn't been an intelligent post, at all? Even the post just before? Well, that was your post, so I guess you are contributing to the idiocy of the thread? Or maybe your post was an example of how people aren't using their brains, since it seems quite silly to say that no posts were intelligent, because that would include your own posts.
It's sorta like the town barber who cuts everyone's hair who doesn't cut his own hair. But then, does he cut his own hair or not? [/quote]
You know what I meant, and if you don't, you are are just proving my point.