Gay Marriage

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='curtins' date='Feb 24 2005, 04:01 PM'] to say you disagree with the pope is one thing- to disrespect him by name calling is another and no one is worthy of having their post kept if all they're gonna do is spew out childish name calling [/quote]
So...saying that he's old and tired is now name calling?

Then, Ash Wednesday needs to be censored too.

[Micheal5403]

Not that I'm for gay marriage, but I love how quickly everyone agrees and believe that the Pope's opinion is correct about gay marriage, but question his opinion about the war.

[MichaelFilo]

Don't start that gain. People can agree with whatever they choose to from the Pope's opinion. The war isn't a moral or faith issue, homosexuality and it's effect on modern society is.

God bless,
Mikey

[God Conquers]

uh.... war IS a moral issue.... a rather large one.

[MichaelFilo]

War can be morally acceptable. Gay marriage can't. Hence, war isn't a definative moral issue. By that I mean, an opinoin is truely an opinion about war even from the Pope. Things that are alwyas clearly wrong or right, when spoken about from the Pope, usually care a little more weight than just opinion, since it is a holy thing to do as the Pope does.

God bless,
Mikey

Edited February 28, 2005 by MichaelFilo

[God Conquers]

War is a definitive moral issue.... no it is not always wrong, but there are many many different levels of morality involved in it.

Gay marriage is impossible, so I guess you could say it is wrong.

It is perfectly acceptable to take or not take any non-definitive teaching of the Holy Father, but don't pretend that it does not carry equal weight when he speaks in the media or on the news about one thing you disagree with and writes in book about something you do agree with.

[MichaelFilo]

Far from pretending, I know quite well what that when His Holieness speaks about an y issue, a certain weight is carried with it, but on something that is definativly wrong, there is more weight in what he says the on something that can be misued (War can be a good thing, ther eis no proper use for gay marriage).

I'd say you don't know me too well if you think I support the war.

God bless,
Mikey

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Feb 27 2005, 09:32 PM'] Gay marriage is impossible, so I guess you could say it is wrong.

It is perfectly acceptable to take or not take any non-definitive teaching of the Holy Father, but don't pretend that it does not carry equal weight when he speaks in the media or on the news about one thing you disagree with and writes in book about something you do agree with. [/quote]
You are correct.

The promotion of the idea that two people of the same sex could marry is contrary to the moral law and as such it is objectively evil, and this truth is a part of the infallible teaching of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium.

[God Conquers]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Feb 27 2005, 11:36 PM'] Far from pretending, I know quite well what that when His Holieness speaks about an y issue, a certain weight is carried with it, but on something that is definativly wrong, there is more weight in what he says the on something that can be misued (War can be a good thing, ther eis no proper use for gay marriage).

I'd say you don't know me too well if you think I support the war.

God bless,
Mikey [/quote]
I'm not referring to thinking that the war is right or wrong... I know your feelings about the war Mike.

I'm just saying that on two issues of morality the weight given to the Pope's statements should be equal, whether those moral actions are always wrong or whether they are only sometimes wrong.

Wrong is wrong.

[burnsspivey]

So...basically, I'm being ignored here, right?

[vianney]

please be quiet. jk

[Guest Aluigi]

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (The Holy Office) issued a document which which officially and definitively shows that the Pope used no binding force upon Catholics in saying that the Iraqi war was unjust. Therefore his position against the war was a political one. The King of Spain can oppose a war without telling his people they must not agree with it. The head of the Vatican City State can oppose a war without telling his people they must not agree with it.

[quote]3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.[/quote] -Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, who in another time would be known as the Grand Inquisitor but is now the Head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

I applaud the Holy Father's political ambitions to make the world more in line with Catholic morality by making them think about the Just War Doctrine of the Catholic Church. However, I do not believe the Iraqi war was unjust and have not been instructed by my Church to believe differently.