BLAZEr Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 My grandpa used to work 10 hour days and he when he would go over to his office (which was a gas station thing, kinda hard to explain) he would sit and talk with people and no one would come over for the 1st hour . . . it was his "God Hour" and he meant it literally . . . he would pray and the money from that hour would go to the Church . . . (not literally from that hour, but 10% of his earnings) . . . my grandpa is pretty cool though . . .
foundsheep Posted October 30, 2003 Author Posted October 30, 2003 4) In 2 Cor. 8:12-13 (NAB 1970) it says "The willingness to give should accord with one's means, not go beyond them. The relief of others ought not to impoverish you; there should be a certain equality". That is why I personally don't believe the 10% figure is still set in stone. I believe your right. Tithe actually means one tenth and its in the book of Malachi. So I guess this would replace that.
foundsheep Posted October 30, 2003 Author Posted October 30, 2003 That guy is nuts. He is a former Catholic from new york and he has that crazy evangelical glare in his eyes when he's hypnotizing his congregation though the t.v. screen. We tithe b/c it's in scripture, and we are called to support our pastors and our church community. The apostles dropped everything they owned and followed Jesus and I think that it is that example we are supposed to follow- not necessarily selling all our stuff, but giving away what we have that is bountiful to the poor and people who are lacking. This includes time and works too because money is not always the most important thing. The guy actually said that the disciples and apostles did not take a vow of poverty. Basically that they had money they just didnt want to deposit it in the jewish temples.
cmotherofpirl Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 THe great one said it best: you don't give til it helps, you give til it hurts.
ironmonk Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 This is hard for most.... Some people think 10% is what they should tithe. In reality... it is not based on percentage. It's based on how much we have/make... but not extra... For example: If someone is making 100k/yr, and only are supporting themselves and a spouse, then they need to give more than 10%.... If someone is making 10k/yr... then 10% is probably to much for them to give. We should learn from the example of the widow.... The widow that gave her last two pence (kinda like a penny) gave more than the others. God Bless, ironmonk
Katholikos Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 Remember in the Gospel where Christ says the poor woman who put in one little coin gave more than all the wealthy people combined? What would that preacher say to that? Or, for that matter, what would he say if the Church started selling indulgences again? The Church has never sold indulgences. Certain individual members of the Church may have been guilty as charged. The Church is the sinless Bride of Christ, his Mystical Body. "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church, and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish." Eph 5:25-26. In the Holy Father's apologies, he always says we are sorry for the individuals within the Church who (fill in the blank). He never says the Church is guilty of wrongdoing. Pax et bonum.
immaculata Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 What about teenagers? I'm still registered at my parish under my family, and my parents tithe their income. When I got my part-time job, some of my friends told me that I should give part of my income, too. What do you guys think about that?
ironmonk Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 What about teenagers? I'm still registered at my parish under my family, and my parents tithe their income. When I got my part-time job, some of my friends told me that I should give part of my income, too. What do you guys think about that? Yes.... are we to build up treasures here or in Heaven... Are we to fill our every want? or to help those in need? Katholikos, Some here might not understand what an indulgence is... Laymens terms for some who do not know... an Indulgence is a word used to describe the 'measurement of good' that we do. As Christ said, we must pay every last penny. The easiest way to explain it is by example.... Would you not say that giving 50% of our income to charity is better than giving 10%? Or helping feed the poor for 4 hours is better than doing it for 2 hours? Yes, of course it is... therefore the 50% scenario is worth "goodie points" than giving 10%, and the 4 hrs scenario gets more goodie points also. For those who wish to know more about Indulgences, here are some resources: http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/indulgences.asp http://www.catholic.com/library/Primer_on_...Indulgences.asp http://www.catholic.com/library/Myths_Abou...Indulgences.asp God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk
JP2Iloveyou Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 The Church has never sold indulgences. Certain individual members of the Church may have been guilty as charged. The Church is the sinless Bride of Christ, his Mystical Body. "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church, and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish." Eph 5:25-26. In the Holy Father's apologies, he always says we are sorry for the individuals within the Church who (fill in the blank). He never says the Church is guilty of wrongdoing. Pax et bonum. I realize the Church didn't sell indulgences. That is what we have been accused of by Protestants though, quite possibly by this same pastor. I was being sarcastic.
Katholikos Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 QUOTE FROM JP2 I realize the Church didn't sell indulgences. That is what we have been accused of by Protestants though, quite possibly by this same pastor. I was being sarcastic. --------------- Sorry I didn't understand that, JP2. I'm always ready to jump on my soap box . . . :unsure:
Jake Huether Posted October 31, 2003 Posted October 31, 2003 Yes.... are we to build up treasures here or in Heaven... Are we to fill our every want? or to help those in need? Katholikos, Some here might not understand what an indulgence is... Laymens terms for some who do not know... an Indulgence is a word used to describe the 'measurement of good' that we do. As Christ said, we must pay every last penny. The easiest way to explain it is by example.... Would you not say that giving 50% of our income to charity is better than giving 10%? Or helping feed the poor for 4 hours is better than doing it for 2 hours? Yes, of course it is... therefore the 50% scenario is worth "goodie points" than giving 10%, and the 4 hrs scenario gets more goodie points also. For those who wish to know more about Indulgences, here are some resources: http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/indulgences.asp http://www.catholic.com/library/Primer_on_...Indulgences.asp http://www.catholic.com/library/Myths_Abou...Indulgences.asp God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Iron, I actually posted something pretty neet on Indulgences under the thread "the Body of Christ". I was so touched by what the Catechism said. We have such a beautiful Church!
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