fear of hell

[XIX]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1043270' date='Aug 13 2006, 09:45 PM']
I meant to vote very high, but somehow it didnt' work. It's very high for all of us. Just think. Let's say you comitted one small mortal sin (not like murder or sodomy or anything, something small) and then you died immediately after. It could happen to anyone. It's not hard at all.
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Very high for all of us? [i]My God in Heaven.[/i]


I'm just kind of curious, how do you live believing that you will most likely go to Hell. Personally, I'd completely lose my sanity.


I'm actually kinda of impressed, in a strange way.

[XIX]

PS: Everyone read Psalm 23!

[Didacus]

I used to have a very great fear of hell, but I have come to know that my fear of it was based mainly on misconceptions and misunderstandings on my part.

I like the saying; "The fear of hell is the start of wisdom." and I think this holds very true.






And I just loved your post GodChild. I think you got it right on the money (er... grace or insert what you think fits best).

I would add that one does not fear the judgement of God, rather they fear justice of what they think they might deserve.

Edited August 15, 2006 by Didacus

[Norseman82]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1043270' date='Aug 13 2006, 10:45 PM']
I meant to vote very high, but somehow it didnt' work. It's very high for all of us. Just think. Let's say you comitted one small mortal sin (not like murder or sodomy or anything, something small) and then you died immediately after. It could happen to anyone. It's not hard at all.
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Mortal sin, by definition, is not small.....

But I voted "refuse to speculate". The prospect of having to account for any sin, regardless of how serious, causes me embarassment....kind of like the saying "How am I going to explain this to my parents?".

Edited August 15, 2006 by Norseman82

[Didacus]

I don't think that situation is possible. Mortal sin is grave to the point one knows the sin to be mortal and his/her soul in danger.

None can go to hell without the desire of it.

In the situation described, the person would probably be pardon to some extent through 'ignorance that is not the fault of their own', 'inconquerable ignorance', or by the desire of the sacrament of penance.

Maybe a more enlightened member of phatmass could comment more?

[dairygirl4u2c]

He's probably thinking of something like a lustful thought etc. If you slip and do it, while you're doing it, you're toast to StThom.
Of course if you did the mortal, then are sorry and plan to confess you're okay to the CC.


One might think the reservation the person has committing it would account for something. I made a poll here and that didn't fly with most people either.

[Resurrexi]

[quote]Mortal sin, by definition, is not small.....[/quote]

Yes, I know. Mortal sin is the greatest evil that exists, but I was meaning a mortal sin that would be very small in comparison to many more grevious mortal sins.

[quote]I don't think that situation is possible. Mortal sin is grave to the point one knows the sin to be mortal and his/her soul in danger.[/quote]

That situation is certainly possible. Certain people have habutial mortal sins that they don't think twice before comitting them.

[quote]None can go to hell without the desire of it.[/quote]

I really don't know too many people who comitt mortal sins becuase they want to go to hell. Most people comitt mortal sins for their own gain, happiness, pleasure, revenge, out of anger, etc.

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In the situation described, the person would probably be pardon to some extent through 'ignorance that is not the fault of their own', 'inconquerable ignorance', or by the desire of the sacrament of penance.
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The ignorance thing is something used to describe non-Catholics who are non-Catholics through no fault of their own. And comittign a mortal sin thinking you can just go to confession is another mortal sin on top of the first mortal sin, namely, presumption.

[quote]He's probably thinking of something like a lustful thought etc. If you slip and do it, while you're doing it, you're toast to StThom.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm thinking of something like a lustful thought or something. And of course you are damned to hell while you are doing it, and are until you make an act of perfect contrition or go to confession.

[quote]Of course if you did the mortal, then are sorry and plan to confess you're okay to the CC.[/quote]

Yeah, thats true so long as the sorrow for the sin is interior, supreme, universal, and out of love for God. You also have to have the intention to sin no more.

[homeschoolmom]

Having a lustful thought isn't a mortal sin. Entertaining one is.

[dairygirl4u2c]

that's what I meant

[homeschoolmom]

I know, but I don't think it's what STM meant.

[Resurrexi]

[quote] He's probably thinking of something like a lustful thought etc. [/quote] it doesn't say having or entertaining. I assumed it meant the sin of entertaining a lustful thought though.

[quote] I know, but I don't think it's what STM meant.[/quote]

yeah, it is what I meant. Having a lustful thought isnt sinful if you don't give consent to it or take pleasure in it.

Edited August 16, 2006 by StThomasMore

[homeschoolmom]

Okay, then we're on the same page.

[una_fide]

I voted I like yogurt, because as the Sacred Scripture says in 1 Timothy 4:3b-5 "...foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

4: For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving;

5: for then it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."(RSV)

Then if I eat yogurt with thanksgiving, then I may become even more consecrated, because as they say "you are what you eat"... *random seemingly unrelated scholarly quotes and continued expounding upon the Text* Not really... though I did vote I like yogurt...

I believe that I may hope to be saved by by grace though faith working though love, in obedience to Christ's commands (faith and works, only by grace). (Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:5-6, Heb. 5:8-9, St. John 14:15-16), though (unless God wishes to reveal this specially to me) I cannot have absolute certainty of my salvation, only moral certainty.

P.S. Philipians 2:12-13

[peep]

Key Lime Pie Whipped Yogurt is my favorite! :

[heavenseeker]

I dont know. It's up to God.

[Didymus]

[quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' post='539601' date='Mar 3 2005, 05:17 PM']
I couldn't resist the I like yogurt option. Put some honey and granola in plain yogurt and you've got a fantastic breakfast.
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I'd rather go to hell...

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1044646' date='Aug 16 2006, 01:13 PM']
That situation is certainly possible. Certain people have habutial mortal sins that they don't think twice before comitting them.

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Addiction is a mitigating circumstance. Also, if you don't think twice, you don't really have full consent.

"I'd rather go to hell..."

Edited September 17, 2006 by aalpha1989

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1043289' date='Aug 13 2006, 10:48 PM']
Who the frick voted 'low' or 'very low'?
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[goldenchild17]

I think there's a very hight chance for all of us. But that is something that people don't need to focus on, in my opinion, so I picked refuse to speculate. Yes we should all know it's there and know there's a chance we could be there the way we live our lives, but our focus needs to be pointing up.

[N/A Gone]

I often struggle with this. Do to past offenses, and current possible heresies that I believe. I tend to see the flaws in my character before the grace. Im kinda Augustinian in that regard