boondock saints

[IXpenguin21]

thank you once again for preaching to the choir.

all things posess a good in proper order under the highest good. no one is taking the message of this movie as the higher good, or even out of proper order.

the movie is art, and ment to leave an impression on its audience. granted, this may be a bad thing. but do not make the judgment that people whom you do not know have fallen to that poor image of the church ([b]which is never identified as the Catholic church[/b]).

this thread isn't about the movie as a whole, but simply the quotes that some of us may have found entertaining, inpsirational, or something in the middle. NOT for criticising the Chatholicism of the movie.

if an inspirational quote was found in the book of mormon or the koran, it may serve as a good though the colective work may not be good at all. both of those documents aim at a good for their audience so elements of good can be found in them. they, like the movie [i]The Boondock Saints[/i], are imperfect, so aren't 100% good, as no one here is claiming them to be.

[Theoketos]

If the choir is watching an intrisically disordered movie and celebrating the fact that it exists then maybe some one needs to take the cotton out of thier ears.

[quote]all things posess a good in proper order under the highest good. no one is taking the message of this movie as the higher good, or even out of proper order.[/quote]

The goods that this "art" posess are disordered. That is to say that they do not lead in this particular case to the highest good.

If you are arguing for the art is worthy of consideration for the sake of the art and so that a message is communicated, the I ask that you take a look at what message is being communicated.

God tells people to kill. This is not a good message.

[quote]this thread isn't about the movie as a whole, but simply the quotes that some of us may have found entertaining, inpsirational, or something in the middle. NOT for criticising the Chatholicism of the movie.[/quote]

I am making this thread or hijacking it so it is about the movie as a whole.

While I am no judge of your soul, promoting this movie is scandalous.

It is in most cases a sin to watch it, the gravity or culpability of the sin depends on your part.

I am sure that it was a sin for me to watch it, and I vow never to watch it again, and I want to prevent other brothers and sisters from falling into the same trap.

I am not only critiquing then the Catholicism in the movie, but the movie it self.

Even if the Catholic Church had nothing to do with the Movie, which it obviously does, the movie would still be a scandal.

[quote]if an inspirational quote was found in the book of mormon or the koran, it may serve as a good though the colective work may not be good at all. both of those documents aim at a good for their audience so elements of good can be found in them. they, like the movie The Boondock Saints, are imperfect, so aren't 100% good, as no one here is claiming them to be.[/quote]

The book of mormon et etc does not have nudity or swearing and does not claim to speak for the Catholic Church. But I would say that these documents are still dangerous to read for a young or gullable faithful. And thus they should be read with some one who knows enough to give a fair argument for the Church on these matters. Though It would not be a sin to read those things. But if some one were to come on here and exhonerate these books, I would be quick to point out that they are not the fullness of the Truth, while agreeing with good I would point out the falseness.

So in a way I do support the good that is in movie and those documents.

But the Movie has so much more bad than good, and way more dangerous to the youth on this board, that it would be really awesome for this thread to never have been started. But since it has, it is my duty to warn the youth.

The good that is in the movie are also bad...

I would assert that the pleasure (which is a good) that the movie trys to communicate is geared toweard idle laughter at best, and at worst it arouses the passions over the will.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='IXpenguin21' date='Mar 28 2005, 01:36 PM'] if you want to argue the ethics of this good argument, please start your own thread.

as i've said before, this is not a thread for judgments and everyone to be everyone else's gardian angel. [/quote]
Methinks you posted this into the wrong area. You seem to just want to list quotes which would seem to be appropriate in the 'open mic' area as opposed to the 'debate table' which is generally used for, well, debate.

[God Conquers]

haha... this got moved over here from Open Mic by a clever moderator

[IXpenguin21]

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[AngelofJesus]

I agree with Theoketos 100%.

[dUSt]

Sorry IXpenguin, but I too agree with Theo.

[IXpenguin21]

thats fine now that this is in the debate boards.

my issue was that he took liberty to pick a fight.

it feels like having a convo w/ people and having someone step in and tell you that you are wrong for reasons X, Y, and Z, when you weren't even claiming to support them in the first place.

sorry if i feel like that is annoying. i geuss that's never happend to any of you.

[Theoketos]

You may agree that the movie is not so good, but by asking people to exclaim the better parts of it, you are supporting it. Other people, whom I respect, have gone farther than you and condoned the movie.

To remain silent would have been a sin of omission.

And for the record, I did not say that the quotes are wrong or are uncool, I just said they were unholy.

There are no neutral moral actions you are either going to or away from God.


<edit> I am my brother's keeper, thank you Cain.

Edited March 29, 2005 by Theoketos

[Jaime]

<---- cancelling idea for a "Pulp Fiction" thread






Sorry.. Sometimes I think I'm funny

[Paphnutius]

You got a laugh from me. It was nice to lighten the mood on the thread.

[MichaelFilo]

Theoktos has a point. imagine if this made someone go out and watch it. Lets say someone who is struggling with sexual sin, or is looking for a wholesome catholic outlet. They see Catholics who watch this stuff, and go see it for themselves. Woops, you are now held accountable for bringing up something that put someone out of the state of Grace and into a state of mortal sin. If no one speaks out, it could happen. Thank you Theo, I've never watched the movie, and will make an effort to never see it.

God bless,
Mikey

[IXpenguin21]

in future scandalous posts i'll include a disclaimer

[Theoketos]

I :wub: penquins