Movie About Martin Luther....

[Katholikos]

what you're saying about him is not very christian. I don't think Jesus would approve.

but the, again, if it's what you believe....

Monica, I believe it because it's T-r-u-e with a capital T!

Please, Monica, I can prove everything I wrote from Luther's own writings -- his very own words. Go to that website I provided to read what he wrote about Jews. Don't worry, it's not a Catholic website. Several websites on the Net have the document "On the Jews and Their Lies" by Martin Luther posted. Look it up yourself by searching under the document name.

I understand the feeling you must have, to find out that you have been lied to for a lifetime by people you trusted -- people who knew, or should have known, the truth. I had the same experience. I'm still angry about it. You're beginning the unlearning process -- replacing lies with truth. The people who lied to you aren't evil -- just misinformed and unwilling to believe the facts of history. They believe a distorted version of history.

If I document every statement I made, will you read it? Right from Luther's own writings?

Of course, Luther was long dead when the Nazi's came to power. I have to rely on other sources for that statement. One site I have in my notes is

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/MartinLuthe...alAncestor.html

There are many other sources as well.

I also recommend Tim Drake's book, Here We Stood, There We Stand, Eleven Lutherans Discover Their Catholic Roots (most of them were Lutheran ministers who became Catholics). Drake, a journalist, is one of the eleven whose story is contained in this book.

Oremus pro invicem, Jay (Katholikos)

[Ellenita]

I hope this wasn't too tedious for you to read

No, Katholikos, it was really fascinating. Thanks. :D

I never realised the history of the 'missing books' before. (can't call them the apocrypha any more! )

So, it has occurred to me reading this history that just as I have been taught by my protestantism that 'denominations' such as Latter Day Saints are wrong because they have added to the bible (and there are scriptures about that, though I can't remember them at the moment), so the basis of protestantism may well be wrong because Luther removed or changed the bible......woa, it feels a little like shifting sand beneath my feet...that's scarey.

[Anna]

Not to fear, Ellenita,

Christ built us a Church on solid ROCK!

"You are Peter ('Cephas' - "Rock") and upon this rock, I will build MY CHURCH.

Everyone is welcome aboard, on the bark of Peter! :wub:

Pax Christi. <><

[littleflower+JMJ]

Not to fear, Ellenita,

Christ built us a Church on solid ROCK!

"You are Peter ('Cephas' - "Rock") and upon this rock, I will build MY CHURCH.

Everyone is welcome aboard, on the bark of Peter! :wub:

Pax Christi. <><

amen anna!!

mt. 16:18

PILLAR OF FIRE, PILLAR OF TRUTH!

[CatholicAndFanatical]

Monica, I know you claim to not wanting to offend, but the cheap shots your taking is pretty obvious "Tainted with catholocism"?? come on now.

Dont play us to be stupid...

all you have to do is read Luther's OWN writings to see that the movie was very innacurate and the Church wasnt the evil culprit.

Im not sure what History books you are reading, but I suggest you throw the ones that say "Moody Bible" on them away.

So far i've only seen statements coming from you and no real questions like.."Why do Catholics do this..." thats a real question. not "Luther was still rather catholic....i mean he couldn't have made a clean break from protestantism wthout still being...let's call it "tainted" by catholicism. He still had some way to go"

And you're also confused on the fact that there was no other Christian Churchs until later on in Luthers evil task. IF there was inDouche a Protestant Church at that time, Luther would not have had to create the Luthern church. He would of just skipped over to the prots side.

So to say "During those days the Protestants were much closer to Christ than Catholics" is a childish an uneducated response. There was no Protestant Churchs, Only Catholic Church stood, and thats a Historical fact. Add that to your history books.

You keep mentioning the Early Christians, so tell me, name one (1) Protestant Early Christian. Show me one bit of writing from this Protestant Christian that dates before the 1500's..

You say your here to learn.I havent seen it, but I'll play along..so learn something already..Do some research on Early Church Fathers and tell me who you come up with. I bet my bottom dollar they will ALL be Catholic.

CatholicAndFanatical

[Paladin D]

There was the Orthodox Church, but they are not Protestant. They have much more in common with Catholicism.

[CatholicAndFanatical]

Yea thats true, but even they hold to the same traditions and almost everything is the same in Orthodox. They in no way resemble the prots at all.

[Donna]

Monica, I was Luthren. (or as we said "Luthern").

I looked up to Luther.

Then I read his own words, while and as a Luthren...

And at the very least I knew that no holy man would talk so foul and filthy.

The writings I speak of are in "Table Talk".

Many of them are quoted in "The Facts About Luther" O' Hare. Published by TAN books.

And if you are trying to be holy, you will stop insulting Catholicism.

[MC Just]

After reading the Luther quotes, I'm very angry with him, and don't understand how anyone can follow him and still call themselves christian. That man was the devil. "The Man of Sin"

Edited November 5, 2003 by MC Just

[IcePrincessKRS]

After reading the Luther quotes, I'm very angry with him, and don't understand how anyone can follow him and still call themselves christian. That man was the devil. "The Man of Sin"

I bet he was really suprised to find out who he was working for after throwing all that poo at the devil. :blink:

[musturde]

Luther was just a heretic instead of trying to help the problem he made it even worse by making another branch of christianity by sepperated people from the church. Calm down guyz a bit of da stuff on this board is offensive.

Edited November 15, 2003 by musturde