Liberal Agenda

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='curtins' date='Mar 23 2005, 10:31 PM']
no its actually just the truth [/quote]
*snerk*

I think you actually believe that. That's just sad.

Good response, though. I can see you very carefully thought it out and decided a point-by-point rebuttal would be best.

[God Conquers]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 22 2005, 03:09 PM'] What is this so-called 'Liberal agenda'. Whats its aim? Who are leading it? Who founded this movement? Whats the movement in oppose to this agenda? [/quote]
Aim: To undermine and attack the dignity of the human being in every way, both subtly and overtly. Methods of this are varied, from the promotion of socialism and communism to abortion and contraception, to materialism and secular humanism.

Who are leading it?: many people, whether they know it or not. Some in small ways, some in large ways. Planned Parenthood, communists, feminists, media which undermines the dignity of women and sexuality ie. Hollywood... the list goes on and on.

Founding Father: Satan

In Opposition: Jesus Christ and those who follow Him.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Mar 24 2005, 11:38 AM'] Aim: To undermine and attack the dignity of the human being in every way, both subtly and overtly. Methods of this are varied, from the promotion of socialism and communism to abortion and contraception, to materialism and secular humanism.

Who are leading it?: many people, whether they know it or not. Some in small ways, some in large ways. Planned Parenthood, communists, feminists, media which undermines the dignity of women and sexuality ie. Hollywood... the list goes on and on.

Founding Father: Satan

In Opposition: Jesus Christ and those who follow Him. [/quote]
That means you cannot be catholic and liberal right?

[Melchisedec]

I think I understand a little bit more about the catholics hatred for liberals. Considering you believe the church to be an infallable authority annointed by god. And the church condemns liberalism at all levels. Then a catholic is taught to despise liberalism as much as they are taught to despise the devil himself.

[Paphnutius]

Just my humble opinon here...

The Church as far as I know it does not condem liberalism on all levels. The Church is very much about human freedom and the right of the human individual. It is simply when the liberal ideals go uncheck and they begin to infringe on that same freedom and rights of others at the expense of one does the Church disagree with it. If we look at the political revolutions of the 18th century we would see some likeness between that liberalism and the Church's stance on things, with the exception of the treatment of women not having equal opportunities. It is not that the Church is strcitly against equality and liberty, it is that it is against such radical notions of the individual being free to do whatever he or she wishes.

I for one do not despise liberalism. I disagree with the extent that it carries some things. If it were kept in more moderation and in check it would be a very beneficial thing.

I do not thinnk that the liberals are out to undermine human dignity as their objective goal. I see what some of the things they are doing as having that effect. They do such things because they are focused too much on the individual and not largely enough on the community as a whole. I could be wrong about my conception of what liberalism is though.

I think it should be restated that liberalism and conservatism are not the same thing as democrat and republican. Just as it is not the same to say that a liberal is unorthodox because he believes in progression. JMHO

[God Conquers]

It's all about how you define liberal...

I mean, are freedom of speech and religion good things? ya

Is freedom of choice concerning abortion? no

And liberalism is not wholly encapsulated in a poltiical party or organization.

It's difficult to define "liberal agenda" as having a solidly defined goal or object, this is true. Yet it is true that it's end result is the degreadation of the human person.

[Paphnutius]

Ok. I just wanted to make sure that we are all on the same page. I do not think it is their agenda to destroy the dignity of human life. It is just that some of their agenda items to the extent that they carry results in it as we have just agreed. I am not sure if you can define "liberalism" in a clear cut sense today. It seems to constantly be changing shape in my head at least.

[Melchisedec]

So when someone says:

"Its those liberals who are doing all of this !@$*#!"

Whom are they referring to? Considering there are muliple definitions of it and levels of perceieved severity.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Mar 24 2005, 03:22 PM'] Ok. I just wanted to make sure that we are all on the same page. I do not think it is their agenda to destroy the dignity of human life. It is just that some of their agenda items to the extent that they carry results in it as we have just agreed. I am not sure if you can define "liberalism" in a clear cut sense today. It seems to constantly be changing shape in my head at least. [/quote]
But I hear it constantly that the liberal elite are trying to take over the media. That they are trying to destroy religion, that they are doing this and that. That its part of the liberal agenda. I hear this constantly. I am wondering to myself, who are these elite peope? What are they trying to do?

[MC Just]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 24 2005, 03:25 PM'] So when someone says:

"Its those liberals who are doing all of this !@$*#!"

Whom are they referring to? Considering there are muliple definitions of it and levels of perceieved severity. [/quote]
We're talking about those who turn themselves into "super popes" Whether they be Catholic liberals or what not.

some liberals just have a messed up state of mind. We are talking about the liberals pushing for the 5 non-negotiables.

The ones who want a gay and woman priesthood, the ones who are trying to do away with the moral teachings of our church.

[MC Just]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 24 2005, 03:28 PM'] But I hear it constantly that the liberal elite are trying to take over the media. That they are trying to destroy religion, that they are doing this and that. That its part of the liberal agenda. I hear this constantly. I am wondering to myself, who are these elite peope? What are they trying to do? [/quote]
That is what we see!! It is why the Popes have condemned liberalism many upon many times. Because they try to concilate good with evil, light with darkness and truth with error. Which ultimately an impossibility. I've heard many disturbing things personally from the lips of liberals. Many have really made themselves into super popes and hate the authority of their own church. (while at the same time still recieving communion).

Edited March 24, 2005 by MC Just

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 24 2005, 03:28 PM'] But I hear it constantly that the liberal elite are trying to take over the media. That they are trying to destroy religion, that they are doing this and that. That its part of the liberal agenda. I hear this constantly. I am wondering to myself, who are these elite peope? What are they trying to do? [/quote]
Personally I have not hear anyone say that verbatim. I have heard things similiar to it. I think that those who say they are attempting to destroy religion may be true in some sense, but we have seen this since Marx and what not. As far as the who though I am at a loss. I would say those that hold power that believe in radical liberalist policies. I believe in fighting ideals and not people so I cannot actually pinpoint a few individuals, but I am sure that others will be able to supply you with some names...