Fidei Defensor Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 The problem is, that if they wanted to keep their money, they would first lower the cost of their CD's, and they would make them so you could not copy them. Seeing as they have not done this, they arent too concerned about it then.
Donna Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Just [i]loan [/i]it, if it's something you really want the person to hear? Libraries do this, it should be ok if even the person wanted to check it out of your library multiple times a year. jas, whaddaya think?
i feel like im taking crzy pills Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Well, you guys kinda make me feel bad because I burn a lot of CDs. I burn copies for my brother, and then I burn copies for my friends. When I get CDs from the library, I even go and copy those. I mean, I feel bad that the artist doesn't get paid for all those copied CDs, but it's just so easy to copy CDs. When you buy a computer these days, it is very likely that it will have a CD burner on it. And it is so easy to just go to the store and pick up a package of blank CDs. I know it's wrong, it's just so [i]easy[/i]..
crusader1234 Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Once you buy a CD, the songs on that CD are yours to listen to. I don't think backing it up or putting it into a different format is bad, but definately exploiting that ability to share with friends or to sell is wrong. They should have to buy their own from the artist themselves.
ryanmeyersmusic Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 we like to eat, and our babies like diapers. that's the underlying reality here... according to Church teaching, workers deserve a just wage for their work. If you feel that something is not worth the price it costs, then that's exactly what you've decided. Not to own it because it's not worth what it costs. That's not a reason to steal. As far as artists/labels making CDs impossible to duplicate, they've tried. Indie and smalltime artists like myself can't afford to invest in technology because (imagine it) we aren't making enough money to pay our bills much less up the ante on technology. If someone just CAN'T afford a CD, I'll give them one, but if they just don't WANT to buy one and steal it, that's pretty bogus. Just remember the tummies and bottoms of artists and their families...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 That all being said, all I have in my car are backups of the CDs I own, tucked safely in my closet at home. That's a justifiable reason to copy music, but very rarely the actual reason people do it. Of course, now I'm a Rhapsody addict and hate leaving my computer when I want to listen to tunage.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Mar 31 2005, 04:21 PM'] we like to eat, and our babies like diapers. that's the underlying reality here... according to Church teaching, workers deserve a just wage for their work. If you feel that something is not worth the price it costs, then that's exactly what you've decided. Not to own it because it's not worth what it costs. That's not a reason to steal. As far as artists/labels making CDs impossible to duplicate, they've tried. Indie and smalltime artists like myself can't afford to invest in technology because (imagine it) we aren't making enough money to pay our bills much less up the ante on technology. If someone just CAN'T afford a CD, I'll give them one, but if they just don't WANT to buy one and steal it, that's pretty bogus. Just remember the tummies and bottoms of artists and their families... [/quote] Major props, bro.
Fidei Defensor Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Mar 31 2005, 02:21 PM'] we like to eat, and our babies like diapers. that's the underlying reality here... according to Church teaching, workers deserve a just wage for their work. If you feel that something is not worth the price it costs, then that's exactly what you've decided. Not to own it because it's not worth what it costs. That's not a reason to steal. As far as artists/labels making CDs impossible to duplicate, they've tried. Indie and smalltime artists like myself can't afford to invest in technology because (imagine it) we aren't making enough money to pay our bills much less up the ante on technology. If someone just CAN'T afford a CD, I'll give them one, but if they just don't WANT to buy one and steal it, that's pretty bogus. Just remember the tummies and bottoms of artists and their families... [/quote] I dont mean small time artists. I can understand why the CD's cost what they do. I am talking about big artists that people are most likely to copy. They can afford to lower their prices, and to make their CD's copy proof. If you can afford to get married and divorced 18 times, have a giant house, lots of cars, then you can afford to lower your CD cost to $5-$7
ryanmeyersmusic Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 most major artists don't see a cent from their recordings until they've sold absurd numbers of their product. you're only hurting people who love music, because if the numbers aren't up, then the number of people able to record will decrease in turn. the real money's in merch... speaking of, i so wish i'd thought of this first: [img]https://www3.securevaults.com/~justinmc/justinmcroberts.com/images/store/burned_small.gif[/img]
Birgitta Noel Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Ok, so let's throw a twist into the question.... Let's say I buy a cd, I burn myself a copy and then sell the original cd. Is this wrong? I own the songs, and I paid the royalty. Another twist.... Let's say I buy a used cd. Is this wrong? I have not paid a royalty, but yet I now have the songs. Just like when a cd is copied the artist doesn't get a royalty, and I have the cd. Is this morally different from copying a cd illegally? How so? I agree that we shouldn't steal music via illegal copying, but I'm curious on everyone's thoughts/moral theories surrounding the buying and selling of used CDs....I've often wondered how we can justify one act, but not the other.
DemonSlayer Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 How about converting several cds into mp3's then burning them into to MP3 CDs, so you can listen to several albums without changing Cds?
ryanmeyersmusic Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 when you sell the original CD, you are selling the right to listen to it. if you keep a copy for yourself, you have stolen that copy. the original copy is the only legitimate way to purchase music, and you are free to sell it as it is. it's essentially the same type of stealing as buying it from the store, copying it, then returning it. when you return it to the store, you're relinquishing your right to listen to it. when you sell it to someone else, you're relinquishing your right to listen to it.
Birgitta Noel Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Ok, I'll buy that. But doesn't selling used CDs still take away from those who are trying to make a living via music?
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