Married Clergy & Women Priests

[Jutty1224]

I've been reading alot online about how american catholics want a more liberal pope that will agree with there views and allow priest to get married, and women to become priests. Reading this has greatly concerned me. I don't see a problem with Married priest though am more comfortable with the fact that priests now must celibate, but the thought of women priests worries me. Please, God, don't let this happen, if it must, can You allow men to become pregnant. An then there things about justifying contraception and other things. Do they want to change these commandments to make it ok for one person to destroy the life another, murder legal? Blame the geniuses who want to justify their sin.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Women can never be priests. Anyone who thinks so is ignorant of theology...and anyone who insists on it is ignorant [b][i]and[/i][/b] arrogant.

[toledo_jesus]

I keep hoping that if we ignore them they'll go away. but no sign of that.

Those who can't keep the Faith will let it go. There will be a winnowing, and nominal Catholics will cease to be Catholic. It will be a loss, but not an insurmountable one. It will take us back to the days when priests rode the circuit, perhaps. An inconvenience, and an exhortation to a better life. After all, if you are only allotted one confession per month...you might tend to behave more.

[Piccoli Fiori JMJ]

"It''ll be a cold day in Hell when that happens..."

I would not like that to happen at all... It does worry me some with some of the groups out there, but I will trust in the Lord...

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Better to have a small, but uniform Church than a large, but divided one.

The wheat will be separated from the chaff. The orthodox alone will remain.

"Be either hot or cold. If you are lukewarm, I will spit you out."

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 5 2005, 01:38 AM'] Better to have a small, but uniform Church than a large, but divided one.

The wheat will be separated from the chaff. The orthodox alone will remain.

"Be either hot or cold. If you are lukewarm, I will spit you out." [/quote]
Precisely.

[Ash Wednesday]

I think everything will be all right!

In the 60s, just about everyone and their dog thought that the church would ease her stance on contraception, but along came Humanae Vitae. I do not believe that the Church will bend to man's every whims and desires. This may cause people to leave, but I believe God's in control of it all. The special interest groups have always been around but in the end their impact is limited regarding where it matters most: Church teaching.

I believe that churches that are more "tolerant" and "liberal" will cease to be authentically Christian and will become more of a "New Age" entity more than anything. Fundamentalists will also continue to find themselves constantly confused and unable to address with sola scriptura issues concerning man today, and will come to the Church to find an end to theological chaos.

I also agree with Raphael -- those seeking Christianity will flock to the Church precisely because she hasn't lowered the bar.

I believe Christianity will become more unified under Catholicism, and will continue to be, for the most part, persecuted by secular humanism and new age flakiness in the name of "tolerance."

[DemonSlayer]

A "liberal" Pope would not truly be even Catholic.

[Luthien]

Its America that wants married priests and woman clergy, I havent heard about Africa, or China wanted this.

AMERICA ISN'T THE CENTER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!!!!!!

:angry:

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

These people want a liberal leader who will agree with them. The stupid thing is that there are plenty of people out there who are already providing a watered down message. People want contraception to be approved not because they don't think it's sin, but precisely because they think it's sin. They want the sin status of it downgraded and no power on earth can do that. JP2 didn't allow women to be ordained not because he wanted to put women in their place or because he disliked them, but because he had no authority to do so. It's ironic that most non-Catholics (and even some Catholics) view the pope as if he's an autocrat and can make and change rules on a whim, yet complain when he doesn't change the unchangeable rules.

[CatholicAndFanatical]

Yea this is ridiculous..why cant some people take NO for an answer?

I have included one women's organization to my 'Red Alert' section on my website. Im asking all Church Militants to write and call them and express your concern.

Why cant some people put two and two together and figure out that Jesus obviously didnt want women as Apostles, he chose 12 men. The Church is not in the position to change that.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[lar]

Regarding "women priests" and the liberal agenda regarding sexual morality:

"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but,
following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers
and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths."

2nd Timothy 4:3-4

[Cam42]

[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=31842"]Clarification[/url] sums up the discussion on women priests. We can continue to discuss married clergy, though.

God Bless,

Cam

[argent_paladin]

Don't worry, the Holy Spirit wouldn't let that happen. And anyway, I can't think of a single cardinal who would attempt to change church teaching on that subject, let alone one who is papabile. The Church in America is about 5% of the Global Church and less than half would like women priests. So, the media expects that 2% of the church should lead around the other 98%? And then they accuse Bush or conservatives of pushing their agenda on the world. These problems are pretty minor.

One big issue that could rock the Church in the next papacy is the question of governance. Some want bishops to have more authority and the pope less. We shall see what happens here.

[thessalonian]

There was an AP Poll out today that said 64% of Americans wanted the next Pope to allow women in the priesthood. It won't happen but that just shows the complete ignorance and rebellion of Americans. Further I have to ask, what are our shepherds the Bishops doing about it?

God bless

[azaelia]

I posted this on my [url="http://www.jelliebean.org"]website[/url] just today. I figure it applies:

[quote]One thing that has been especially irritating about the coverage of Papa is how often they bring up the topic of women's ordination and contraception. They keep using the words conservative and liberal, purely political terms. The Pope is above politics. He transcends them. He is a spiritual leader, not a politician. It amazes me that people can't tell the difference. They try to bring something so much greater than them down to a comprehensible level and consequently end up grasping at straws in the attempt. Besides, if we were to use political terms, John Paul II was more liberal than he was conservative. He fought for the rights of the marginalized, for peace. He was against the death penalty and war. If being pro-life makes him conservative than wouldn't all conservative's be pro-life? And yet there are many pro-choice conservatives. No one ever thinks about what these terms really mean.

First of all, contraception is a non-negotiable issue. It directly opposes the Church's teachings on marriage and procreation. It will never be accepted in the Church, no matter how many "Catholics" hem and haw about it. A new Pope will not, and cannot, change these teachings. No Pope has ever changed these teachings, no Pope will ever change these teachings. Accept it, or leave. It's that simple.

Women's ordination is another one of those non-negotiables. The doctrine that men can only be priests is etched in stone. Women will never be priests. Women are different than men, believe it or not. We have different vocations. Different does not mean lesser, it just means that we serve in different ways. Besides, a priest performs his duties in persona Christi, or in the person of Christ. A man becomes the visible figure of Christ when he is ordained. A woman cannot symbolize Christ. A woman is not a man, as much as she might want to become like one. If Jesus wanted women to be allowed into the preisthood, don't you think he would have made Mary one, his own mother? He was counter-cultural after all. And yet Mary wasn't even present at the Last Supper, nor was Mary Magdalene. (Yes, The DaVinci Code is just a story. Sorry.) Even so, the Pope cannot change this doctrine either. It's not in his control. We're talking about two thousand year old doctrine, here. Not a traditional discipline that can undergo reform. If these women want to become preists, go join the Episcopalians and leave my Church alone. End of story (and rant).[/quote]

[the_rev]

One of my Methodist friends at school today said,

"You know Eddie you may be a married priest, Larry King said this is gonna happen."

I told him, Yeah the same Larry King that asked a Cardinal who he was going to vote for, when the voting process is secret. The same Larry King who asked if certain cardinals would campaign to be the next pope.





The only American Cardinal in my opinion that would be considered to be Pope would be Andrew Cardinal Maida.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Good job, Azaelia.

I only use liberal and conservative for the Church when I refer to liturgical practices or matters of customs...i.e. are cassocks common in this diocese...

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote]Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.
- John Paul II, Ordinatio Sacredotalis[/quote]
I've posted this thrice now...

[luciana]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Apr 5 2005, 03:17 PM'] There was an AP Poll out today that said 64% of Americans wanted the next Pope to allow women in the priesthood. It won't happen but that just shows the complete ignorance and rebellion of Americans. Further I have to ask, what are our shepherds the Bishops doing about it?

God bless [/quote]
That poll is about as good as the ABC one the other day that asked only 250 or was it 650 adults.

This one if you notice the headline says they asked Americans and Catholics, meaning non-Catholics and Catholics, like anyone outside the Church has asay in the matter on the teachings, which catholics can't change either, since we're dealing w/ doctrines, TRuth They asked 1,100 people and they didn't say what portion of that # was Catholic. also the poll was done over a period of 3 days, Friday to Sunday, b4 the Holy Father had even passed away--so direspectful. :angry:
The olny good thing was that the respondents, Catholic and non-Catholic all agreed that the pope was one of the greatest, kind of a contradictio of their views on change. I.E. the poll was just messed up