The Bible

[FiZzGiG]

Well, basically I'm not clear on whether the Bible contradicts itself or not.

If one was to read it fundamentally, would it not have some contradictions? (like thw whole praying for the dead, thing)
If it does have contradictions, how do we explain them?

I really haven't done any great Scriptural studies, so I'm basically out of the loop when it comes to interpreting Scripture.


In addition, could someone give me some sort of document/website that shows the proof that the Catholic bible was the first bible, and that the Protestant Bible wasn't formed until the Reformation?

Also, someone made a point that the Jewish Torah does not include some of the books in the Old Testament of the Catholic Bible. Is this true? and, um... why? Haha



Thanks!!! God bless!

[cmotherofpirl]

Did you try our reference section

[Dudette]

[quote name='FiZzGiG' date='Apr 13 2005, 11:28 PM'] Well, basically I'm not clear on whether the Bible contradicts itself or not.

If one was to read it fundamentally, would it not have some contradictions? (like thw whole praying for the dead, thing)
If it does have contradictions, how do we explain them?

I really haven't done any great Scriptural studies, so I'm basically out of the loop when it comes to interpreting Scripture.


In addition, could someone give me some sort of document/website that shows the proof that the Catholic bible was the first bible, and that the Protestant Bible wasn't formed until the Reformation?

Also, someone made a point that the Jewish Torah does not include some of the books in the Old Testament of the Catholic Bible. Is this true? and, um... why? Haha



Thanks!!! God bless! [/quote]
we need to have a long chat on AIM...heh...

[thessalonian]

[quote name='FiZzGiG' date='Apr 13 2005, 11:28 PM'] Well, basically I'm not clear on whether the Bible contradicts itself or not.

If one was to read it fundamentally, would it not have some contradictions? (like thw whole praying for the dead, thing)
If it does have contradictions, how do we explain them?

I really haven't done any great Scriptural studies, so I'm basically out of the loop when it comes to interpreting Scripture.


In addition, could someone give me some sort of document/website that shows the proof that the Catholic bible was the first bible, and that the Protestant Bible wasn't formed until the Reformation?

Also, someone made a point that the Jewish Torah does not include some of the books in the Old Testament of the Catholic Bible. Is this true? and, um... why? Haha



Thanks!!! God bless! [/quote]
First of all I have not come accross a "contradiction" that wasn't reconcilable in some fashion. Did Judas hand himself or did his bowls burst out on the ground. Likely he hung himself and the rope broake. Are all the reconcilliations I have heard correct? Probably not. But I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself anywhere, especially with regard to faith and morals. It is not always historically chronologically accurate, but then it is not always inteded to be. Further it is not always explicitly scientifically accurate as in the case of the mustard seed being the smallest of all seeds. At the time they believed it was.

As for the canon of scripture steve ray has a good article that will answer some of your questions.

[url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0409fea4.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0409fea4.asp[/url]

The canon was first declared by Pope Damasus

[url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html[/url]
"The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis, one book; Exodus, one book; Leviticus, one book; Numbers, one book; Deuteronomy, one book; Joshua [Son of] Nave, one book; Judges, one book; Ruth, one book; Kings, four books [ie., 1 and 2 Samuel and 1 and 2 Kings]; Paralipomenon [Chronicles], two books; Psalms, one book; Solomon, three books: Proverbs, one book; Ecclesiastes, one book; Canticle of Canticles, one book; likewise Wisdom, one book; Ecclesiasticus [Sirach], one book. Likewise the order of the Prophets. Isaias one book, Jeremias one book,...lamentations, Ezechiel one book, Daniel one book, Osee ... Nahum ... Habacuc ... Sophonias ... Aggeus ... Zacharias ... Malachias ... Likewise the order of the historical [books]: Job, one book; Tobit, one book; Esdras, two books [Ezra and Nehemiah]; Esther, one book; Judith, one book; Maccabees, two books." Council of Rome, Decree of Pope Damasus (A.D. 382).


It was ratified by the councils of Carthage, Hippo, Flourence, and trent. Every Vulgate produced contained the 7 books in dispute and considered they scripture. Jerome initially disagreed with Damasus but submitted and included them in the Vulgate. These are historical facts. The reformers removed them.

Some Jewish Canons included them and some did not. The Alexandrian Jews used the Septuagint version, while the Palestinian Jews did not. Those that used the Septuagint, Greek, version of the scriptures did include them. This is the version that Jesus and the Apostles quoted, though they did not quote the 7 books directly (there were inferences from those books). We can tell they quoted from them because of the differences in the Septugiant and the hebrew versions and the way things are worded.

It should also be noted that there was no bound bible and all they had was a pile of scrolls.

I hope that helps.

God bless

[FiZzGiG]

Thanks SOO much!!! That's awesome.

And I'll be sure to search the reference section too.



And Dudette, I agree:

AIM -- be there or be square.


Thanks everyone!

God bless

[thessalonian]

By the way, if you want to read a good book get "Where We Got the Bible" by Henry Graham. He was a protestant in the 1800's who came to Catholicism over this issue. Catholic Answers at Catholic.com has it available on their website. It worth the dough.

[Honour]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Apr 14 2005, 03:26 PM'] By the way, if you want to read a good book get "Where We Got the Bible" by Henry Graham. He was a protestant in the 1800's who came to Catholicism over this issue. Catholic Answers at Catholic.com has it available on their website. It worth the dough. [/quote]
Thanks for the book sugestion, I just ordered it. I can't wait to read it!