the kinda pope Liberals Want

[MC Just]

Pope John Kerry I.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Nah...they want a big wussy pope who can't take a stance on anything...and throws like a girl!

[MC Just]

LOL

[Aloysius]

at one point I thought it'd be funny and cool if they just elected John Kerry as pope... surest way to get the guy struck by lightning or at least a way to prove the Holy Spirit won't let a pope bind the Church in error

if it weren't for that "do not put the LORD thy God to the test" thing, I think the cardinals might've done such a thing and the whole world would become Catholic as, live on every major television station broadcast around the world John Kerry would've said "accepto" and all of the sudden a huge flash of light would flash on everyone's TV screen, and there would be left an ashy firey hole in the ground, and out of the heavens would come a booming voice "no accepto"

[Paphnutius]

Perhps a bit of rude and crude humor...but I thought that the pope hade to be a CATHOLIC man.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Apr 19 2005, 10:24 PM'] Perhps a bit of rude and crude humor...but I thought that the pope hade to be a CATHOLIC man. [/quote]

[Antonius]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Apr 19 2005, 09:01 PM'] at one point I thought it'd be funny and cool if they just elected John Kerry as pope... surest way to get the guy struck by lightning or at least a way to prove the Holy Spirit won't let a pope bind the Church in error

if it weren't for that "do not put the LORD thy God to the test" thing, I think the cardinals might've done such a thing and the whole world would become Catholic as, live on every major television station broadcast around the world John Kerry would've said "accepto" and all of the sudden a huge flash of light would flash on everyone's TV screen, and there would be left an ashy firey hole in the ground, and out of the heavens would come a booming voice "no accepto" [/quote]
:tiphat: :rotfl: :haha:

[ardillacid]

:haha: :roll:

[infinitelord1]

its weird seing a new pope.....it just isnt the same.

[Ash Wednesday]

Actually, I would have almost..... [i]almost[/i] liked to have seen our friend Mr. Kerry make it to the White House if I would have known Ratzinger would become pope this year. You've got to admit, the first presidential meeting with the pope would have been very interesting. :tiphat:

In any case, Kerry is always more than welcome to attend a private audience with him. Maybe he could invite Teddy Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi to name a couple. Sit for a spell, have a nice little chat....

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Apr 21 2005, 02:03 AM'] Actually, I would have almost..... [i]almost[/i] liked to have seen our friend Mr. Kerry make it to the White House if I would have known Ratzinger would become pope this year. You've got to admit, the first presidential meeting with the pope would have been very interesting. :tiphat:

In any case, Kerry is always more than welcome to attend a private audience with him. Maybe he could invite Teddy Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi to name a couple. Sit for a spell, have a nice little chat.... [/quote]
...Tom Daschle, too...

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Apr 21 2005, 02:03 AM'] Actually, I would have almost..... [i]almost[/i] liked to have seen our friend Mr. Kerry make it to the White House if I would have known Ratzinger would become pope this year. You've got to admit, the first presidential meeting with the pope would have been very interesting. :tiphat:

In any case, Kerry is always more than welcome to attend a private audience with him. Maybe he could invite Teddy Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi to name a couple. Sit for a spell, have a nice little chat.... [/quote]
My imagination is juggling with two scenarios of an audience with the pope for Mr. Kerry:

1) Pomp and circumstance...pope greets Mr. Kerry. Pope presents Mr. Kerry with a fancy scroll...he humbly accepts it and opens it to find some beautiful, ornate Latin text. He brings it home and looks through it with his old Latin-English dictionary and discovers that he's just been formally excommunicated.

2) Pomp and circumstance...pope greets Mr. Kerry. Pope introduces Mr. Kerry to the Vatican's chief exorcist. He gets to work. Minutes later, a nearby herd of swine stampede into the Tiber River. Mr. Kerry goes home.

[God Conquers]

3rd scenario:

Pomp and circumstance: Mr. Kerry is led into a room, thinks to himself.... hey, this isn't the papal library. And wait a minute... those aren't swiss guarAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oik]

Pope Benedict to Kerry and others of his ilk:

This day I offer you Communion and excommunication...Choose Life, Choose Communion...

[journeyman]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Apr 19 2005, 09:24 PM'] ...but I thought that the pope had to be a CATHOLIC . [/quote]
Didn't one of the Kings of France say that during the 1600-1700s? about the Bishop who was to be appointed for Paris?

[JimFurst]

I'm liberal,

The College of Cardinals has chosen a Pope through the guidence of the Holy Spirit.


The Church will not be led astray, so I have the Pope I want. The one we are supposed to have. The one that was chosen.

Liberal or not, it makes no difference.

Jim

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I think a lot of this goes to the definition of "liberal."

As MC Just has it defined, it is those who are trying to make the Church into a politically progressive organization.

I don't like the terms "liberal" and "conservative" in Church matters, because they fail to grasp the real point, that there is one truth which is beyond liberal and conservative. We should instead use the terms "orthodox" and "heterodox." The Church's stance on welfare, afterall, is "liberal" and on abortion, it is "conservative." There is not necessarily anything wrong with the Church if it is liberal in some areas or conservative in others. However, it must be orthodox in all things. In terms of abortion, the "conservative" position is the mark of orthodoxy, but this does not make the Church conservative...it makes her true.

If we fail to call the Church anything but true and orthodox, but apply labels like "conservative" (which implies a right turn from truth), then we say that the Church is something besides true and orthodox.

However, there is a certain room for this terminology in the area of defining heresies. "Liberal Catholicism" for instance (i.e. cafeteria Catholicism, Liberation theology, etc.) is a heresy, because rather than recognizing Catholicism as truth, it seeks to legitimize an attempt to politicize the doctrines of the faith. There is, in fact, no such thing as "liberal Catholicism," since such is a contradiction in terms, as politics have no bearing on truth. Neither is there a "conservative Catholicism," for the same reasons. There is only orthodox Catholicism, by which the faith is defined in terms of faith and not in terms of politics, and heterodox pseudo-Catholicism, to which the heresies of "liberal Catholicism" and "conservative Catholicism" belong.

Although, I will give one concession: conservative politics disagree far less often with grave Catholic moral issues. This, however, I believe, is just a sign of the times. Communism and Fascism are both just as evil.