Festival of Praise

[Brother Adam]

Protestantism is in theology, not types of worship

[Nicole8223]

The important thing to remember is that there is more than just the "charismatic" sense of worship. It is important for us to experience all that God ha, and I know that there are many people who only experience the charismatic aspect. this is a great danger. Charismatics depend a lot on the "community" they are around or belong to, and they cannot depend on that forever.

There are some people who practice gifts of the spirit, and raise their hands, and also have a very contemplatiev side, and that is awesome. But it is so important to be more focused on God than any external action.

[zwergel88]

[quote]  There are some people who practice gifts of the spirit,[/quote]



Must I believe that this is true? Is there any like theology or anything regarding this? Because honestly the whole thing freaks me out.

Edited May 11, 2005 by zwergel88

[Mogmog]

[quote]Must I believe that this is true? Is there any like theology or anything regarding this? Because honestly the whole thing freaks me out.[/quote]

Rather than presenting my own view, here is what John Paul the Great said about [url="http://ccc.garg.com/ccc/articles/John_Paul/John_Paul_002.html"]charisms[/url].

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='zwergel88' date='May 11 2005, 04:31 PM']


Must I believe that this is true? Is there any like theology or anything regarding this? Because honestly the whole thing freaks me out. [/quote]
If you saw Jesus raise Lazuras from the dead would it freak you out? What about when Peter healed Tabitha? Or when Jesus exorcised the demon? Would it have freaked you out to be at the Pentacost and see the speaking in tongues?

It is scary when we don't understand something. I remain cautious always, but when it IS genuine, and someone is drawn closer to God, I praise Him for his fearful and wonderful works. The Holy Spirit is very real and is really working in us.

[Gal. 5:22,23]

Are there accounts of any of the saints speaking in tongues? I know some had the gift of healing and prophecy, among others. But I haven't read of any speaking in tongues.

[i_see_things_upside_down]

Several of you speak of Protestantism as if it were a disease, which is to be avoided at all costs. That is just rediculous, just because it is Protestant type of worship mixed in with Catholic does not mean it is wrong. Are you saying God does not like the Protestant form of worship? That he will not accept it? It is VERY Biblical. The Bible says to praise God by raising hands in the air and dancing. Just because something is more Protestant does not mean it is wrong. Yes, it may be different and a little uncomfortable, but you cannot simply reject it as a legitimate form of worship!

[Mogmog]

[quote name='Gal. 5:22,23' date='May 11 2005, 06:09 PM'] Are there accounts of any of the saints speaking in tongues? I know some had the gift of healing and prophecy, among others. But I haven't read of any speaking in tongues. [/quote]
I have indeed heard of some that did although I can't remember off the top of my head. I'll post again if I come across them.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='i_see_things_upside_down' date='May 11 2005, 08:15 PM'] Several of you speak of Protestantism as if it were a disease, which is to be avoided at all costs. That is just rediculous, just because it is Protestant type of worship mixed in with Catholic does not mean it is wrong. Are you saying God does not like the Protestant form of worship? That he will not accept it? It is VERY Biblical. The Bible says to praise God by raising hands in the air and dancing. Just because something is more Protestant does not mean it is wrong. Yes, it may be different and a little uncomfortable, but you cannot simply reject it as a legitimate form of worship! [/quote]
You're a Protestant trying to 'pretend' to be Catholic aren't you?

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Gal. 5:22,23' date='May 11 2005, 07:09 PM'] Are there accounts of any of the saints speaking in tongues? I know some had the gift of healing and prophecy, among others. But I haven't read of any speaking in tongues. [/quote]
St. Peter

You've got me curious, besides the Apostles I'm interested in who else did.

[Gal. 5:22,23]

St. Paul as well? He said "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."

Another question: What is the difference between being slain in the Spirit and going into ecstasy? Sounds like semantics to me. I have read St. Faustina's diary and her experiences sound very much like what charismatics would call being slain in the Spirit.

[i_see_things_upside_down]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='May 12 2005, 06:27 AM'] You're a Protestant trying to 'pretend' to be Catholic aren't you? [/quote]
No, I am Catholic. I have several good friends who are Protestant though. I hold an immense respect for them and their religious beliefs as they do for mine.

[philothea]

[quote name='Gal. 5:22,23' date='May 12 2005, 08:01 AM'] Another question: What is the difference between being slain in the Spirit and going into ecstasy? Sounds like semantics to me. I have read St. Faustina's diary and her experiences sound very much like what charismatics would call being slain in the Spirit. [/quote]
Maybe. But, ecstasy is a type of advanced contemplative prayer, generally only experienced by people who have worked their way through the earlier stages: the prayer of quiet, the prayer of union, and so on.

A charismatic meeting would be, I think, not a very good place for beginning contemplative prayer. Doesn't seem all that likely that someone would reach such an advanced stage there. But God gives as He wills, so I can't dismiss it outright.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='i_see_things_upside_down' date='May 12 2005, 08:12 PM'] No, I am Catholic. I have several good friends who are Protestant though. I hold an immense respect for them and their religious beliefs as they do for mine.[/quote]

Really? Me too. My best friend is a Protestant. I was an independant fundamental baptist until 7 months ago. You don't seem to realize the immense damage the Protestant heresy has done to the Body of Christ.

Their worship is no more 'biblical' than any other heresy. They use the Bible to justify some of the things they do.

"Judas hung himself"
"Go and do the same"

Both are straight from scripture.

Edited May 13, 2005 by Brother Adam