Pascal Won

[ironmonk]

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If more people order all of my stock, I'll make more.



God Bless!
ironmonk

[HomeTeamFamily]

i dont get it

[Aloysius]

pascal's wager
basically:
if you believe in God and you're wrong you've lost nothing but if you're right you've won everything
if you don't believe in God and you're wrong you've lost everything and if you're right you've won nothing

[ironmonk]

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Gog Bless,
ironmonk

[philothea]

I was just reading the original "wager" in Pascal's Pensees. He was one brainy guy. Would've fit right in at Phatmass.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I don't like Pascal's Wager...completely misses the point.

If you love God just to avoid hell...well...

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Raphael' date='May 31 2005, 08:56 PM'] I don't like Pascal's Wager...completely misses the point.

If you love God just to avoid hell...well... [/quote]
Well, the principle makes sense though. Those who love God and are right win, and those who dont love him lose.

[Qoheleth]

Pascal's Wager isn't about loving God, just about believing in him. Love defies all rational arguments.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Oh, yes, the principle makes sense, I agree. The logic makes sense and isn't about loving God, yes...but as a basis for why a person [i][b]should[/b][/i] believe (as opposed to why a person [i][b]could[/b][/i] believe), it falls short.

[Guest JeffCR07]

Anselm was smarter than pascal, lol. He acknowledged that faith is not an intellectual agreement, but a gift of God. Anselm certainly thought that the Fool "who says in his heart, 'there is no God'" was wrong, and he even thought that he could prove to the Fool that he was wrong. But he never said that such proof or logical argumentation would force them to believe.



I heart Anselm

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='May 31 2005, 10:01 PM'] Anselm was smarter than pascal, lol. He acknowledged that faith is not an intellectual agreement, but a gift of God. Anselm certainly thought that the Fool "who says in his heart, 'there is no God'" was wrong, and he even thought that he could prove to the Fool that he was wrong. But he never said that such proof or logical argumentation would force them to believe.



I heart Anselm [/quote]
Anselm is one of my favorites, as confusing as it is to read, "something-greater-than-which-nothing-can-be-thought" over and over again...

[philothea]

Pascal's argument was not merely that it'd be smart to believe in God because of the possible outcomes. That's the quick summary.

He really trashes proud, ignorant atheists. Paraphrased: "So you don't know what you are, or why you're here, or how you might spend eternity, and you're too lazy to even bother to think about it. You're going to spend all your short life gazing at your navel, being proud of yourself for not being like those silly religious people. Idiot."

Edited June 1, 2005 by philothea

[Colleen]

[quote name='Raphael' date='May 31 2005, 09:07 PM']Anselm is one of my favorites, as confusing as it is to read, "something-greater-than-which-nothing-can-be-thought" over and over again...[/quote]
I had to discuss that during an oral exam, but I kept forgetting the wording to the phrase. Anselm hurt my head.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Raphael' date='May 31 2005, 09:56 PM'] I don't like Pascal's Wager...completely misses the point.

If you love God just to avoid hell...well... [/quote]
I understand what you mean, but Pascal's Wager could be very effective in convincing an atheist to just think about God instead of totally ignoring Him.

[ironmonk]

Pascal's Wager is great to get someone to think of God. It could save someone's soul.

[b]Romans 2:12 [/b]
All who sin outside the law will also perish without reference to it, and all who sin under the law will be judged in accordance with it.
[b]13 [/b]For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified.
[b]14 [/b]For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law.
[b]15 [/b]They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, 6 while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them
[b]16 [/b]on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus.


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God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited June 2, 2005 by ironmonk

[jezic]

is that your website? (ironmonk)

[ironmonk]

[quote name='jezic' date='Jun 2 2005, 01:09 PM'] is that your website? (ironmonk) [/quote]
Yes, one of them...

[url="http://www.MaxBrackett.com"]http://www.MaxBrackett.com[/url] (it's about 3 yrs old and I need to update it)


God Bless!
ironmonk

[Paphnutius]

It is to my understanding that Pascal intended this to be a type of first step...you know...like imperfect contrition leading to perfect contrition. That you get someone to beleive in God, then they will naturally be led to love God.

Anyway Aquinas rocks everyone!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Jun 2 2005, 12:35 PM'] Anyway Aquinas rocks everyone! [/quote]
Except Fr. Isaac

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Jun 2 2005, 12:03 PM'] Except Fr. Isaac [/quote]
Where? :ph34r: