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[Brother Adam]

What is really sick about this country is the number of people without basic care. Over 14% live under the poverty line and you could fill 26 states with the number of people without insurance. Teresa and I aren't exactly middle class right now, but we are not poor. Since we cannot afford health insurance though, we can't even afford basic medical care. This is a delima too many people face - barely over the poverty line ($14,000-18,000/year) so they are ineligable for government aid and too poor to get the help they need. In about a month (the earliest we could get an appointment) we will have to shell out $200 to simply talk to a doctor for one of us.

[toledo_jesus]

I agree. It is disgraceful that we know so much about medicine but it's so expensive only the rich can use it. There was a time when doctors served the community at expense to themselves. Now the Medical Industry serves itself and tries to avoid malpractice suits.

[Fidei Defensor]

...this is almost the dumbest thing ive heard them say in a while.. cant top the abortion ruling though.

[Brother Adam]

Which is a problem right there. The doctor we are going to said her rates used to be much, much lower ($55 per visit) but because of mal-practice insurance that she absolutely has to have she cannot charge less than $195 and still make a reasonable salary. All comes right back to law

[Lil Red]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Jun 23 2005, 11:02 AM']I agree.  It is disgraceful that we know so much about medicine but it's so expensive only the rich can use it.  There was a time when doctors served the community at expense to themselves.  Now the Medical Industry serves itself and tries to avoid malpractice suits.
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very true

[Socrates]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jun 23 2005, 12:07 PM']Which is a problem right there. The doctor we are going to said her rates used to be much, much lower ($55 per visit) but because of mal-practice insurance that she absolutely has to have she cannot charge less than $195 and still make a reasonable salary. All comes right back to law
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Yes. The problem's more with the lawyers than the doctors. Malpractice insurance rates have shot sky high. This has caused some doctors to quit medicine!

[MC Just]

I hate the so called"supreme court" i dont see anything supreme about them. They are on the "left" anyhow. The left is for geniuses.

[StMichael]

This ruling is absolutely unreal and like everyhting else coming out of the court, anti-American.

This ruling opens way for the state government of CT to tear down homes, not for public use, but commercial interests, like a freaking shopping mall.

Emminent domain allowed the city, etc. to condemn for public interest ie. highways, schools, etc.

This is an outrage but what is going on here in NY is Gov. Pataki has a bill sitting on his desk and can sign into law that anyone can go into CVS, Eckerd, etc. and buy RU-486 over the counter, what is RU-486? The morning after pill.

When, in God's name, are we going to unite and fight? When?

[jezic]

the was the declaration of independence. I looked.

If it was in there i would so start my own country.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jun 23 2005, 11:55 AM']'Without due process of law" is the key phrase. Whether we like it or not they are the law and the law has been processed and they have ruled.
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What that phrase meant was a person would have to be tried and found guilty of a crime by a court of law before he could be executed, imprisoned, or have his property confiscated, not that the state could simply decide to strip an innocent person of his property.

[quote]The constitution also states (though they were directing it at England at the time), that there comes a time when people must rise up and uphold the best interest of the state even if it means overthrowing the government. Eventually, though not for a long, long time, I believe this will happen, lest we are invaded and taken over by another collective of countries first.
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Unfortunately, we have slowly become accustomed to socialistic tyranny, and most people now prefer comfort and "security" to freedom.

On a regular basis, things that would have had our forefathers up in arms are now accepted and taken for granted. As a people, we have grown lazy, soft, and weak.

[jezic]

when its to late ......

[jezic]

the only bit of good news is that it was 5v4 so if one of the idiot judges goes bye bye the ruling would switch.

Renquist and O'Connor blasted the other judges bigtime in their dissenting opinion.

[catholicflower]

do you know where Scalea (sp?) stood on the issue?

[picchick]

I don't see anyway that is good. What happened to freedom in America? Weren't we fighting for right to private ownership among other rights during the revolutionary war?


This rubs me the wrong way.

Meg

[Aloysius]

I intend to have private property in this country somehow or another, who is with me? The entire might of the United States government doesn't scare me, I have God on my side... for private property is instituted by divine law in the book of Genesis and it is natural law because it separates man from the beasts (Rerum Novarum), that we are the stewards of the earth and as such may own part of it free from any and all infringements upon it.

private property cannot be limited or infringed upon. when a state does as much they are breaking the laws of God. I would fight to the death against such a state.

Who will be the modern day Knights to defend the innocent, defend the opressed? someone, please, and do it fast. Be not afraid, if God is with you none can stand against you. This calls for nothing short of open defiance of law, and if necessary armed revolt.

[Socrates]

I read the story on this on the MSNBC site and took their online poll. Interestingly, the vast majority of respondants to that poll (about 97%) thought the decision was wrong. (And from my experience, people voting in those MSNBC polls tend to vote liberal, and I'm usually in the minority).

This could potentially be a rallying point to oppose the court's tyranny because it is something on which both liberals and conservatives can find common ground. (Conservatives would oppose it for trampling private property rights, liberals for favoring corporate interests and "the rich" over ordinary citizens).

[philothea]

The tyrrany isn't in the court, so much, but in the local governments -- as bribed by big business. It was a local government that claimed "eminent domain" to take away people's houses so a pharmaceutical company could build there.

Yeah, the Supreme Court screwed up, but the trouble began WAY before this decision. All the court ruled was that this was a valid use of eminent domain. I don't think it was, but the whole issue could have been avoided if people weren't corrupt and lazy at a local level. Local govenments are pulling this carp all the time.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Wow...that's just astonishing. I remember a story along the lines of a property seizure i order to build a Walmart or something last year...it's just wrong, in my opinion. Way too close to communist principles...