Some dude leavin feedback on my xanga

[curtins]

my xanga can be found here: [url="http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=curtins"]http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=curtins[/url]

ok so the other day in my entry I mentioned how the homosexual community is making a tv station to broadcast their lifestyle and try and justify it and spread it to our kids. Some dude i never even herd of comes and leaves feedback on my xanga about it and of course I needed to respond. So here it is. Any comments or suggestions would be much appreciated:


Friday, July 01, 2005

Lets break down the lies in "anti-anti gay's" comment on my last entry and reveal the truth, shall we?

We'll begin with the comment itself- sensored for decency:

"wut the f**k is f***in wrong with you??? descriminating against GODS HANDMADE!!!! even if being gay IS "immoral" (thats another debate) thats part of the hypocracy of the church (again another debate) when Jesus had dinner with ppl, who did he eat with, was it a.)the sanhedrien b.)the just ppl or of corse c.)THE SINNERS <--- you have no right to be so critical of ppl (it kinda reminds me of Hitler) anyway i think you need to rethink your position as a catholic (u kno its this kind of talking that makes gay ppl commit suicide) o well anyway i think u need 2 take ur head outa ur a** long enough to see that even if ppl ARE gay, you need to accept that they are who they are and YOU cant change it... anyway i hope u had fun in cape cod.....
God help you
-anti-anti-gay person who is in a bad mood and is feeling unusually profain this eevning<---- and obviously cant spell either ok neway haha ok no im really dun now"

Now for the truths and nothing but the truths:

-I don't appreciate people leaving profain language on my guestbook comment thingy. If you have something to say, make your point but please refrain from the swearing. f-in this and f-in that, honestly, makes you look like you're 12 and can't make your point so you resort to profanity.
-Homosexuals ARE children of God- everyone is a child of God from the Pope to the murderers to the poorest of the poor to the richest of the rich- everyone is a child of God. In no way am I saying homosexuals are not children of God because they are- ALL life comes through God.
-There is no discrimination taking place. I do not hate gays nor am I anti gay. Discrimination would require some form of bigotry in this case homophobia. I am not homophobic. Everyone including homosexuals need to be treated with love and compasion.
- Being gay is not a sin nor is it immoral. It is disordered but not sinful.
- The sinfulness manifests itself in taking part in, justifying, or supporting immoral homosexual ACTIONS such as sexual activity between persons of the same sex or homosexual "unions" (gay marriage). So just to make it clear, its the ACT not the BEING. Now lets break down those actions for the sake of clarity:
-Sexual activity between persons of the same sex: EVERYONE is called to chastity, homosexual or heterosexual. That means intigrating chastity and purity into your life and making it part of who you are. The CCC :

"2348 All the baptized are called to chastity. The Christian has "put on Christ,"135 the model for all chastity. All Christ's faithful are called to lead a chaste life in keeping with their particular states of life. At the moment of his Baptism, the Christian is pledged to lead his affective life in chastity."

Even the married need to practice chastity. Chastity is not simply not having sex, its intigrating sexuality into our lives the way its supposed to be, i.e. the way God wants it not the way our culture tells us. More on chastity can be found here. Homosexuals are also called to live chastly just as everyone else is. Again the CCC:

"2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection."

Homosexual sexual activity is sinful and immoral because it is not open to life. No child can ever come about from gay sex. It is IMPOSSIBLE. The main purpose of sex is procreation (making kids) which is not possible in homosexual sexual activity. Also, any PURPOSEFUL sexual arousal, outside of marriage, is grave matter and sinful, so oral sex, making out, and the like cannot be justified.

-Homosexual marriage: For thousands of years marriage has always been between a man and a woman. That is how God created it. Genesis 1:27-28:

God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply"

And Genesis 2: 24:

For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

Right there in the very begining of the world God creates man and woman and tells them they will become ONE and be fruitful and multiply. Marriage is laid out in the earliest of days. As the saying goes "It was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" and that is the truth. God gave us human sexuality to be used in a holy way- in marriage to be procreative. The sanctity of marriage cannot be comprimised for one group's personal agenda. Gay marriage is a direct rejection of God's will. The sex and the marriage thing go hand in hand- to have sex on must be in the holy state of marriage and to be married one must be procreative (have sex) with his or her spouse. Gay marriage and gay sex do not allow this relationship between the two to occur- it doesn't allow for sex to be used how God planned nor does it allow for marriage to be used how God planned. It is unnatural and immoral.
- The church is not hypocritical when teaching on matters of faith and morals. In fact its infallible (never wrong) because it is under the direction and guidence of the Holy Spirit. Homosexuality is most deffinatly a matter of faith and morals and so it is not hypocritical or in anyway incorrect in its teaching on homosexuality because it is truly the teaching of God and so simply put, it is the truth.
- You are correct in saying Jesus dinned with and befreinded tax collecters and prostittutes. He came for the sinners to help them to see the truth, turn away from evil, and change their lives and follow him. He, however, did NOT come to justify their sinfulness or tell them to keep sinning as you are implying.
- I do have the right to say whatever I want, as I live in America, and have the freedom of speach under the first ammendment. But more importantly, I have the OBLIGATION to defend the truth and preach the truth and speak out against injustice and evil. The fact that the homosexual community is poisoning our children by trying to justify the homosexual lifestyle is deffinatly an evil and needs to be spoken out against.
- I really don't see your comparison about me and Hitler but oooook..................
-Are you not being critical of my blog entry? Are you not being critical of the truth? of Catholics and the Catholic church? I think you are and so I would say that makes you the hypocrite, not the church.
- The truth is the truth. It cannot be changed. No matter how much you like it or dislike it- it remains the same. As for me, I will not compromise my beliefs to suit another person. When you ask me to rethink my possition as a Catholic, it doesn't much sense because to be a true Catholic one must defend the teachings of the church and preach the truth. One must be a servent of a God, a soldier of Christ, and a Temple of the Holy Spirit. If you want me to renounce my beliefs- I'll tell you that won't happen. Ever. If you want the church to change its teaching on homosexuality, well, like I said the church teaches truth from God. The truth is the truth- not an oppinon, not a statistic, not a poll, not some idea that the Pope dreams up. The truth is the truth- it is unalterable otherwise it wouldn't be the truth. Maybe instead you should consider asking the homosexual community to change their stance etc.
- There is no reason to commit suicide. No situation is so desperate that no measures can be taken to help one's self. That person must, however, seek out help. Again though, I will not compromise my beliefs to suit another. The truth cannot be changed even if it offends some people.
-It's physically impossible to get one's head into one's butt and my head is right here on top of my shoulders. Again that does nothing to debate the issue- just attacks the person and makes you out to have no point.
- One should not give in to homosexuality- i.e. there is counseling and therapy that one should persue if they feel they are becoming a homosexual. Prayer should be used extensivly. However, the gay community preaches that once you're gay, theres no turning back and you must live with it and imbrace it. The CCC:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

-Cape Cod was uneventful.
-God help all of us.
-I'm sorry you were in a bad mood but I still dont appreciate the profanity.
-Don't sweat about the spelling. I can't spell for my life.
-I have no idea who you are.

Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam! and God bless

-curtins

[materdei]

Everything you said was very clear and to the point. Great Job. Keep defending the Faith.

[phatcatholic]

one thing i would point out is that, yes, jesus ate w/ tax collectors and sinners.............but that doesn't mean he accepted or condone their lifestyle. it just means that he saw them as persons who needed his love just as much as anyone, unlike the pharisees and the rabbis who that they alone were entitled to the wisdom of the Lord.

the Church too acts as Jesus did. the Church loves [i][b]all [/b][/i]people and calls us very explicitly in the catechism to avoid all acts of hatred against homosexuals. but that doen't mean that She accepts the homosexual lifestyle...........or that she even has to. love the sinner, hate the sin. that's how Jesus approached sinners, and that's how the Church approaches them today.

yes, Jesus saved the adulteress from being stoned, but he also said to her, "go and sin no more".........

Edited July 2, 2005 by phatcatholic

[Jake Huether]

[quote]Homosexual sexual activity is sinful and immoral because it is not open to life. No child can ever come about from gay sex. It is IMPOSSIBLE. The main purpose of sex is procreation (making kids) which is not possible in homosexual sexual activity. Also, any PURPOSEFUL sexual arousal, outside of marriage, is grave matter and sinful, so oral sex, making out, and the like cannot be justified.[/quote]

One note on this. I was discussing this topic with someone else, so I have a bit of experience to share.

First of all, "open to life" is more than just having kids. A post-menopausal married woman, and her husband, are not sinning by having sex, regardless of her incapacity to bear children. Being "open to life", means not holding anything back. "Life" is created when a married couple makes love. They renew their Sacramental Marriage vows and release graces associated with this - grace is the life of our spirit! When a married couple makes love the act brings them closer to eachother (unitive) and to God (pro-creative). In a few instances this lovemaking brings us closer to God in a unique way - in the creation of human life. In order for sex to be open to life it necessarily will always be open to children - whether or not they come. Therefore, homosexual sex is sinful because it isn't open to life. Not just children, but also life-giving LOVE.

But even then this is just a result of a higher level sin - that is, homosexual sex is sinful because it isn't natural. And because it isn't natural, it isn't open to life. To be quite blunt, the anus isn't for that! So, not only is it sinful because of the fact that it isn't open to life... but it's just not the way God intended our bodies to be used. It isn't the way God ordered things. It is disordered.

Like swearing is a disorder - our mouths were created, among other things, to sing the praises of God! Not to curse.

Hope this helps.

God bless.

[curtins]

thanks alot

[Fides_et_Ratio]

xanga is a major anti-catholic spam attractor...

one of the younger girls from my old youth group instant messaged me the other day because someone was leaving anti-catholic spam on her site and she wanted me to respond.. so I did... and then they deleted their account... LOL. so much for his conviction, I suppose.

[phatcatholic]

hehe, yea, most of them don't have the gumption for debate, they just need to vent

[curtins]

well he came back with another comment- heres my response:

Another comment by the now infamous "anti anti gay"

First, the comment itself:

IM BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCKKKK....... lol ok lts do this again:D i woul have commented sooner but i 4got my password
-i AM sorry about the profanity, i have a problem with that and im trying to stop
-how do u know that im NOT 12, i might be twelve, i might be 13, i might be 70 (but im not)
-gay sex is GROSSS (and bad 2) and marriage 2 yea but the sex part is NASTY
-NATURALLY, no child can come of a gay or lesbian couple but with todays science.... (again gross especially if the guy hasta...... nvm)
-dude r u sure that purpose AROUSAL is bad cuz uhhhhhh o well we dont need 2 get into THAT this is about the wonderous gay people
-AHA!!!!!!!!!! I GOT U YOU SON OF A MOTHER!!!!!! MAKING OUT ISNT A SIN!!!!!!!!!! " so oral sex, making out, and the like cannot be justified."
-i still dont like the word poisoned but yes it is america and yes u can say wut ever u want
-when i take over the world, if you say wut u want, ill have your balls cut off and sewn onto your chin (like in MIB2)
-i kno that im a critical person and i have a tendancey of getting very physical, so watch your step, cuz if i do youll need a mirical, cuz when it gets cold outside and i got nobody to love....... sry i got a little carried away
-im not gunna commit suicide but sum ppl do so uhh yea they do need help poor souls:(
-lol at first i thought sed my butt is right here on my shoulders
-maybe people LIKE being gay, i know some people dont but alot of people do and dont want o change or have people try to change them or want them to change
-too bad about cape cod
-yea
-again sorry about that

yo estoy un mono en el correa roja!
-anti anti gay

- I don't know how old you are I'm just making the point that you sound like you are 12 because the only way you can try and cover up for your lies is with four letter words.

-It seems to me that you are agreeing that homosexual sexual activity and homosexual "unions" are immoral. If that is the case I don't understand why we are having this debate.

- By "science" you are refering to sex change? That is immoral and unnatural. God created us who we are for a reason- not so we can go see a doctor and get "changed". Also, if they are gay, they wouldn't have a sex change because then they are no longer 2 males or 2 females. Bottom line, no matter which way you slice it, no child can ever come about from gay sex- it is impossible and unnatural.

- The Roman Catholic Church teaches that any purposeful and wilfull arousal outside of marriage is grave matter. That is infalable teaching.

- I don't understand what you mean when you say

" MAKING OUT ISNT A SIN!!!!!!!!!! " so oral sex, making out, and the like cannot be justified.""

At no point did I say making out isn't a sin, beacuse, outside of marriage, it infact is. I said that making out along with oral sex and other degrading sexual practices, are immoral and sinful because (going back to my last point) any intentional arousal outside of marriage is sinful and making out and oral sex would deffinatly constitute intentional arousal outside of marriage.

-The fact is the homosexual community wants to poison (yes poison) our children with their lies and try to justify their lifestyle to our kids to make our kids think "Oh, its ok to be gay, theres absolutly nothing wrong with it. Maybe I even want to be gay". That is the truth, weather you want to beleive it or not. We must stop this from happeneing and regaurdless of weather we are in America or not, Catholics have the moral responsibility to speak out against this evil.

- And I'm sure you'll take over the world.

- The point is that you were saying I was being critical of gay people and you were calling the Church hypocritcal, yet you were, at the same time, being critical of the Church, and of me, which makes you the hypocrite. It would be very immature of you to try and settle this by trying to beat me up and would push the point home ever more that you are wrong so you must resort to violence. But if you want to come beat me up for defending the truth, go right ahead- I'm not going anywhere and martyrdom is a first class ticket into heaven .

-People commit suicide for all sorts of reasons. That doesn't mean we in anyway change the truth or compromise the truth to suit them. Its like saying, a kid got in trouble for smoking pot and so he hanged himself. Does that mean we legalize pot? No it means we try even harder to keep kids from smoking.

- Weather they want to seek help or not, the fact remains they are called to chastity and celibacy.

- I'm not very good at spanish all I can make out is I am a something in the red something.

Good day and God bless

-curtins


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[phatcatholic]

bro, i wouldn't respond to him anymore. he's not really there to seriously debate the issue, he just likes to get a reaction out of you. i wouldn't dignify his posts w/ a response. his posts are all over the place and he doesn't know how to say anything w/o being very rude and disrespectful. sometimes you just have to shake your head in disgust and walk on......

[b]Mat 7:6[/b] Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.

[curtins]

yeah your right- my next post I'll say I'm done debating this issue here if "anti anti gay" would like to have a serious debate and not just make senseless and pointless statments he or she can do so via AIM or email

[MissScripture]

You can block people from leaving messages, too, if you want. I don't know if you knew that. And you can delete people's comments. Just FYI, if you didn't know.