Suggestion for Reference Section

[Fidei Defensor]

Sorry to be bother some, and maybe i just missed the section, but you should add a section about the historical accuracy of the Bible and whether or not its "true". Im having issues with people with that subject, and it would be helpful to add a section about it to the references.

If there are any things on it, please direct me to them, otherwise, think about maybe adding it to the references.

Thanks.

[phatcatholic]

i will definitely keep this in mind.

btw, there's a thread pinned at the top of the apo board called "board updates: and place for suggestions." i would ask that any subsequent suggestions be posted there.

thanks

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 18 2005, 09:28 PM']i will definitely keep this in mind.

btw, there's a thread pinned at the top of the apo board called "board updates: and place for suggestions." i would ask that any subsequent suggestions be posted there.

thanks
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heh sorry i just noticed after i posted this.

[journeyman]

Phat, I just saw the new reference section is up and running. Looking good . . . you and Cure and Hughey put in some massive time to get that looking as clean as it does, and still have over 6000 linked references.

May need to beef up the search tool . . . or maybe the descriptors. I tried "bible" and "truth" and came up pretty dry.

Fidei . . . is your problem with people who don't accept there is any truth to the Bible, or that it is, alone, the literal and exclusive truth? If the latter, the sola scriptura sections may help.

from The Bible section: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/23"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/23[/url]

A general article that may help identify terms that will help you search out additional resources:

What Does The Church Really Say About The Bible?
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=3752"]http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=3752[/url]


main page - [url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php[/url]

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='journeyman' date='Jul 18 2005, 09:51 PM']Phat, I just saw the new reference section is up and running.  Looking good . . . you and Cure and Hughey put in some massive time to get that looking as clean as it does, and still have over 6000 linked references.

May need to beef up the search tool . . . or maybe the descriptors.  I tried "bible" and "truth" and came up pretty dry.

Fidei . . . is your problem with people who don't accept there is any truth to the Bible, or that it is, alone, the literal and exclusive truth?  If the latter, the sola scriptura sections may help. 

from:  [url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/23"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/23[/url]

A general article that may help identify terms that will help you search out additional resources:

What Does The Church Really Say About The Bible?
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=3752"]http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=3752[/url]
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Basically, atheist arguments against it, saying it is "full of holes" or whatnot, so yes, saying that there is no truth in it.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='journeyman' date='Jul 18 2005, 09:51 PM']May need to beef up the search tool . . . or maybe the descriptors.  I tried "bible" and "truth" and came up pretty dry.[right][snapback]648934[/snapback][/right][/quote]
yea, you have to use the advanced search. the basic search will come up empty b/c the vast majority of the links come w/o keywords or descriptors that the basic search looks for. so, you have to use the advanced search and search for words that would be found in the title for the article.

[journeyman]

specifics . . . or just the general assertion?

Do they deny there was a King David in Israel? a Solomon? the four sectors of Alexander's empire? a Ceasar in Rome? a Pilate or a Herod?

If there is one fact they accept as sufficiently proven by other sources, then the general assertion has to go. Once you're discussing a particular fact or passage, you can then use Catholic teaching to categorize that passage (if it's been done . . . and for that you probably need Phat and his Navarre - or other, even Protestant - commentaries).

Even the "fiction" in the Bible is there for a purpose. Gulliver's Travels was fiction, yet is considered a literary effort to combat a real problem. Not all the Bible was written for the purpose of being a "history" as we like to understand that term today (the prophecy books, for instance . . . or the psalms or proverbs). Where the objection is what could be literature, rather than history, is the question really "is that true in and of itself" or "what was the underlying problem the author addresses using a literary vehicle?"

probably not much help to your specific issue

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='journeyman' date='Jul 18 2005, 10:14 PM']specifics . . . or just the general assertion?

Do they deny there was a King David in Israel? a Solomon? the four sectors of Alexander's empire?  a Ceasar in Rome?  a Pilate or a Herod?

If there is one fact they accept as sufficiently proven by other sources, then the general assertion has to go.  Once you're discussing a particular fact or passage, you can then use Catholic teaching to categorize that passage (if it's been done . . . and for that you probably need Phat and his Navarre - or other, even Protestant -  commentaries).

Even the "fiction" in the Bible is there for a purpose.  Gulliver's Travels was fiction, yet is considered a literary effort to combat a real problem.  Not all the Bible was written for the purpose of being a "history" as we like to understand that term today (the prophecy books, for instance . . . or the psalms or proverbs).  Where the objection is what could be literature, rather than history, is the question really "is that true in and of itself" or "what was the underlying problem the author addresses using a literary vehicle?"

probably not much help to your specific issue
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No, this is helpful. At this point, it is just a general assertion. He told me that

[quote]How can what you follow be logic? That F****** bible is full of more hole then star wars. I would be more inclined to belive in the vulcan from star f**** trek then believe that rediculiously inane read. I've read it. I've read ther Qu'ran. I have read the skrits of hindu and buhddism. All of them make more sense than the bible[/quote]

Im just going to place the burden of proof on him, if he replies back to me ever. I seriously doubt anyone that accuses those things has done any serious research with the bible and other scriptures of religions.

[Cure of Ars]

Where is the link to go to the new reference section? I want to try the finished product. (I guess it's something that never really becomes finished but you know what I mean)

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' date='Jul 18 2005, 11:11 PM']Where is the link to go to the new reference section?  I want to try the finished product.  (I guess it's something that never really becomes finished but you know what I mean)
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hehe, go to the pinned topic "REFERENCE SECTION" and read carefully the top of the post.

[franciscanheart]

he's given away the link accidently several times lol i was wondering if anyone would catch it

only the apo board regulars

[phatcatholic]

it was on purpose.............a little gift for the people who come here the most