bx_racer Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 i would like to know what aspects of the law you must obey, because some laws out there arent apparently immoral but they are kind of unneccesary, like no jaywalking. you would figure people are smart enough to know when to walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 (edited) Simply? As far and perfectly as you can without directly going against God's will. Edited July 19, 2005 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 there are certain laws which you are not bound to follow called Penal Laws...they are there to protect the common good but they are not sins to break them as long as you are still preserving the common good and not doing anything immoral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 According to our Lord and Aquinas you would do well to follow them, meaning it's wrong not to, unless you have a just reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 19 2005, 03:32 AM']According to our Lord and Aquinas you would do well to follow them, meaning it's wrong not to, unless you have a just reason. [right][snapback]649413[/snapback][/right] [/quote] right, like you can speed in emergencies for ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I only follow man made laws when they do not contradict God's laws. Abortion-on-demand is the classic example of an evil man-made law. Or say it was illegal to hide a runaway slave (it used to be), I would break the law anyway. These are easy examples, but I think you can go pretty far in stretching this principle. I've justified speeding, buying alchohol on Sundays, petty theft, and marijuana (God gave us all the seed bearing plants). Alright, sorry, I'm just messing around now. Yet another bad joke. Har har Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Semper, Speeding is breaking the law, no matter what emergency. There are ways around it, and I will explain in a moment. Unless a law by man is contrary to God, then we ARE bound to follow it for the good of society. God does not give power arbitrarily, so therefore our lawmakers are given the power to make laws for the greater good of society. Now yes, there is abuse of power and there are laws which are very contrary to the laws of God, and it is these that we are bound not to follow. In the case of speeding in an emergency. Rather than break the law and speed, thereby creating an opportunity to possibly get into an accident and create more chaos, it would be better to go to a police station and explain the situation (if it is a somewhat long distance) and ask for a police escort. My dad did this when my brother was in an accident, and he needed to travel from the city to the Hudson valley. A distance of about 50 miles. The state police gave him an escort and he was able to make it home in about 30 minutes. His only other choice would have been to follow the rules of the road, so to speak. Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bx_racer Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Semperviva' date='Jul 19 2005, 02:00 AM']there are certain laws which you are not bound to follow called Penal Laws...they are there to protect the common good but they are not sins to break them as long as you are still preserving the common good and not doing anything immoral [right][snapback]649405[/snapback][/right] [/quote] oh, what are the penal laws? Edited July 20, 2005 by bx_racer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bx_racer Posted November 4, 2005 Author Share Posted November 4, 2005 [quote name='bx_racer' date='Jul 20 2005, 07:05 AM']oh, what are the penal laws? [right][snapback]650815[/snapback][/right] [/quote] is littering just a little bit a penal law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dspen2005 Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 insofar as to render to Caesar the proper obedience due to him, and you render to God the obedience due to Him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 [quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 19 2005, 09:50 AM']Semper, Speeding is breaking the law, no matter what emergency. There are ways around it, and I will explain in a moment. Unless a law by man is contrary to God, then we ARE bound to follow it for the good of society. God does not give power arbitrarily, so therefore our lawmakers are given the power to make laws for the greater good of society. Now yes, there is abuse of power and there are laws which are very contrary to the laws of God, and it is these that we are bound not to follow. In the case of speeding in an emergency. Rather than break the law and speed, thereby creating an opportunity to possibly get into an accident and create more chaos, it would be better to go to a police station and explain the situation (if it is a somewhat long distance) and ask for a police escort. My dad did this when my brother was in an accident, and he needed to travel from the city to the Hudson valley. A distance of about 50 miles. The state police gave him an escort and he was able to make it home in about 30 minutes. His only other choice would have been to follow the rules of the road, so to speak. Pax [right][snapback]649576[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I disagree. There are times and places when the law must be broken, it is not an absolute. When I was labor, my husband broke the law. We hit a traffic jam, and we drove on the side of the road to get around it. We eventually ran into a cop who took one look at me and got out of the way. If I had been in New Orleans or any of the other gulf towns and no relief effort appeared, I would have no qualms about doing what was necessary to feed my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz4jesus Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 (edited) Some Laws are absurd, should we obey them? The Jaywalking, you have to cross the street at the designated crossing. in an intersection with only 3 crosswalks and you need to get to the corner that doesnt have the direct cross walk, are you really going to walk all the way around the intersection? Its breaking the law, and dont tell me those dont exist, I crossed one. And there are other Laws that are far more absurd. My rule of thumb is, unless I am sure of the stupidity behind the law enough that i could argue my case against it to the police, i wont break the law. You need to understand the reasons behind why the law was made (speeding safety issues). If you dont understand dont take the chance. God's Law comes first and you should always obey, then comes Man's Law. God came before us. Edited November 4, 2005 by Jazz4jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz4jesus Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Here is a thought. Everybody know the law about 18+ not dating minors. I know some States actually have it 17 is legal age thats what it is in TX. but lets just say legal age is 18 So when i turned 18 (almost 2 years ago) I was dating this girl from my church and she was more than 1 year yet less than two years younger than me. In this senario, where my states legal age is 18, would I have to break up with her for this year and some months cause if police saw me on a date with her i could get a ticket (ive actually heard cases where people got tickets for the legal age thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 I don't believe it's illegal to DATE, it's illegal to have sex with them. and if the parents okay it (in most states I believe) a marriage of an 18 yr old and a 17 yr old can happen. and if you're not married, it'd be immoral anyways. I believe there are certain limits to where the state has jurisdiction. The state does not have overbearing jurisdiction into personal lives or family lives. If it tries to claim such jurisdiction, you have the right to ignore it. For instance, it illegalizes drinking under the age of 21. I do not believe the state has the authority to restrict such use of alchohol... the parental authority does but not the state-- that's overbearing and we are not obliged to obey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 [quote name='Jazz4jesus' date='Nov 4 2005, 01:16 PM']Here is a thought. Everybody know the law about 18+ not dating minors. I know some States actually have it 17 is legal age thats what it is in TX. but lets just say legal age is 18 So when i turned 18 (almost 2 years ago) I was dating this girl from my church and she was more than 1 year yet less than two years younger than me. In this senario, where my states legal age is 18, would I have to break up with her for this year and some months cause if police saw me on a date with her i could get a ticket (ive actually heard cases where people got tickets for the legal age thing). [right][snapback]778807[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You can date minors. However, if you are more than two years older than them and have sex with them [at least in PA ] you can be charged with statuatory rape whether thew monir has given consent or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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