terror and iraq tie

[Don John of Austria]

Okay first, the Nazi Germany war thing---

1 we didn't Go to war agianst the Germans because of economic reasons, American banks had lent Germany a vast quanity of money during the 20's and 30's and we had a stronger economic tie with gremany in the 30's than with England however we had made our Choice in WWI ( where we had a very stong minority who wanted to go in on Germany's side). After that there was zero chance we where going to fight England with germany, we infact suppressed the speaking of German in America during WWI even in churchs. The significance of this in many parts of the country can not be overstated, in some places in the US German was the only spoken langauge, to give you an Idea -- in Texas in 1876 the new Capital building( the one that is there now) was dedicated, the dedication was in German not English or Spanish because that was the Language spoken by the majority of people in Central Texas. At any rate the decision to side with England was made on social not economic grounds.

2. We where actually acting as a beligerant agiant Nazi germany for 2 years before Pearl Harbor. However we were not shooting at them our ships however would shadow their U-boats and then radio British ships their location, the british ships would then come to that location and attack them, since we were not an offical beligerant the Nazi subs were not authorized to fire on us.


3. After Pearl we did not declare war on Germany, Hitler in support of his Axis Ally declared war on us, this gave Germany the excuse to start firing on American Warships and civilian ships anyhere in the world.



Now as to why we didn't take out Hussien in the first Gulf War, why would we? we ha no reason to, we fulfilled our objective and drove him from Kuwait and defanged his military. People need to stop thinking in Terms of total war-- which isimmoral anyway-- it was a war over a piece of real estate and got it, and we crushed his economy and military might in the process, it was a very 19th century war.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]Yes I've heard of Rwanda and yes I fault the Clinton administration for doing nothing. Of course, that was the MO of that administration, do nothing, watch the polls, and cover your rear-end.[/quote]

Oh I wouldn't say that he was all to willing to bomb the hell out of serbian Christians trying to defend their ancestrial homeland from invading muslims who murdered and raped them. I would say he did plenty.

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]Can someone tell me why the link was necessary? Isn't it enough that he was killing people and being a tyrant? I mean, there was no direct link between Pearl Harbor and Nazi Germany either, so by your logic, we were unjustified in attacking the Germans in WWII as well[/quote]

If the President said there was a link between them that did not exist, such as in this war, the premise the world war II was based on would have been unjustified. This here quote above is the kind of rhetoric is what I was trying to get people to stop commiting and admit the lack of link.
[quote]had to put that with asterisks to emphasize so some don't go getting well Saddam was bad, without admitting the lie the war was based on[/quote]

I agree that we should be the world's police to an extent. I just don't think we should do it based on a lie.

[White Knight]

Not only did we go to war against Iraq because they had a terrorist dictator, but we went there to Liberate Millions of Iraqi folks from opression, and evil. We not only went there for our safety, but for the safety of Israel.

We went there for many reasons, if you can't agree with them or if ya do agree with them, no matter what, we as American citizens we have to Support our Troops, no matter what we can't turn out backs on them.

If we do, this turns into another Vietnam, and we can't afford that.

Iraq is under control mostly, its just the secular media and biast liberal media only report the wrongs, on Iraq, never the postitive stuff.

[Winchester]

It's a strategic maneuver. Perhaps not by Bush, but by someone.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Jul 27 2005, 12:27 AM']We went there for many reasons, if you can't agree with them or if ya do agree with them, no matter what, we as American citizens we have to Support our Troops, no matter what we can't turn out backs on them.
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I dont see how you cannot support your troops and be opposed to the war. If anything my compassion for the troops is what I primarily see as unjust about the whole war. I lost my bestfriend almost two years ago and now I'm down to my last good friend whom I grew with. Hes in iraq right now, and I truly hope he comes back to us. I support our troops out there. Just not the cronies who sent them there.