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[quote]You only go to hell if your soul is so incorrigible that it deserved eternal damnation. But all souls go to Heaven to be judged.
After judgement,depending on their actions on earth, some get rebirth, some goes to purgatory, some goes to hell ,some gets permission to stay in heaven for a period of time and a few selected people are allowed to merge with The Father.[/quote]

ready, get set, go!

EcceNovaFacioOmni
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Reincarnation?

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Stay in heaven for a period of time?

Fidei Defensor
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All of it?

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[quote name='at0m1c' date='Aug 15 2005, 11:36 AM']You only go to hell if your soul is so incorrigible that it deserved eternal damnation.
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If by incorrigible you mean a soul that has sinned mortally, then this might be correct.

[quote name='at0m1c' date='Aug 15 2005, 11:36 AM'] But all souls go to Heaven to be judged.
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Aren't souls going to be judged on earth? I do not believe they will be judged in heaven.

Jesus is sitting to the right of the Father, from where He will come to judge. Jesus will descend from heaven... or am I wrong on this one?


[quote name='at0m1c' date='Aug 15 2005, 11:36 AM']After judgement,depending on their actions on earth, some get rebirth, some goes to purgatory, some goes to hell ,some gets permission to stay in heaven for a period of time and a few selected people are allowed to merge with The Father.
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depending on their actions is incorrect.

Souls will be judged accroding to their faith and their actions. Also, the concept of sins frogiven will play a role, as well a many others things... cetainly not just by 'actions'.

rebirth: if you mean rise from the dead, then you got something. If you mean re-incarnation, I don't think so.

Gets to stay in heaven for a period of time... well, what kind of rent does the Father charge these days?

And finally, you do not merge with the Father... geesh... you are part of the celestial body with Christ as the head, but this is more a figurative way of representing things. Never have I ever heard of 'merging' with the Father.








You how did I do?

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PS: and where did you fish this statement anyways? Pleassssseee tell me this is not from a self justified 'official' religion but just some jargon you picked up on some other board...

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phatcatholic
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well, this guy's words are conveniently vague. each sentence [i]could[/i] be correct..........but it could also be wrong. anyway, my thoughts:

[quote]You only go to hell if your soul is so incorrigible that it deserved eternal damnation.[/quote]
if someone or something is "incorrigible" i think the connotation here is one of obstinant and persistent refusal. on the surface, we may say that such a soul deserves hell. but, we also no that a lifetime of rejecting God's grace can be reversed w/ one act of acceptance, especially if the grace he accepts is sanctifying in nature. so, w/ this in mind, i would reject the above sentence.


[quote]But all souls go to Heaven to be judged.[/quote]
have any proof for this? i assert that a soul goes nowhere near heaven unless he is found worthy to be there, for nothing unclean shall enter heaven. this would include going there just long enough to be judged.


[quote]After judgement,depending on their actions on earth, some get rebirth, some goes to purgatory, some goes to hell....[/quote]
we are definitely judged by our works. "rebirth" here is vague. if by it he means new life in heaven, i agree. if, by it, he means another life on earth (reincarnation) i would reject it. also, by listing purgatory separate, i think it is unnecessarily pitted against heaven. purgatory should not be seen as a destination or even a place. it is more like a gate through which some must pass to enter heaven. it is not some place you "go to" it is something you "experience." if a soul experiences purgatory then it is going to heaven. so, it is really only necessary to speak of [i][b]two[/b][/i] destinations: heaven and hell.


[quote].....some gets permission to stay in heaven for a period of time[/quote]
i simply find no scriptural warrant for this? under what grounds could anyone ever make such a claim? that is absurd.


[quote].....and a few selected people are allowed to merge with The Father.[/quote]
this is also vague. if by it he infers the mormon belief of souls changing substance into the same substance of the Lord--of men becoming Gods--then he is incorrect. however, if by it he means divination or theosis, in which we become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Pet 1:4) and participants in the life of God, then i would agree.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

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I got part of it right!

goldenchild17
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[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Aug 15 2005, 12:43 PM']"rebirth" here is vague. if by it he means new life in heaven, i agree. if, by it, he means another life on earth (reincarnation) i would reject it.
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Except though, even if one is going to heaven, that doesn't necessitate a rebirth "after" death does it? If one is going to heaven then he is reborn before death, even though he may need to be cleansed in purgatory for a time?

Maybe I understand it wrong, but non-Catholics love to play with this one saying we get a second chance after we die to repent and be reborn. I'm not sure that's the case.

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phatcatholic
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[quote name='goldenchild17' date='Aug 15 2005, 02:57 PM']Except though, even if one is going to heaven, that doesn't necessitate a rebirth "after" death does it?  If one is going to heaven then he is reborn before death, even though he may need to be cleansed in purgatory for a time?

Maybe I understand it wrong, but non-Catholics love to play with this one saying we get a second chance after we die to repent and be reborn.  I'm not sure that's the case.
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well, it would be a "rebirth" in the sense that it is a new life in heaven.

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[quote name='thedude' date='Aug 15 2005, 11:46 AM']Reincarnation?
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I dunno. If this feller's from the South, it might be reintarnation.

;)

phatcatholic
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[quote name='Technicoid' date='Aug 16 2005, 12:27 AM']I dunno. If this feller's from the South, it might be reintarnation.

;)
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hehe, wow :lol_roll:

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