human milk

[avemaria40]

donating milk for sick or premature babies is OK and so are wetnurses, but mass-producing it for a grocery store doesn't seem to respect women at all.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='avemaria40' date='Aug 20 2005, 03:40 PM']donating milk for sick or premature babies is OK and so are wetnurses, but mass-producing it for a grocery store doesn't seem to respect women at all.
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yeah.. that's what I think too.

[avemaria40]

why is this on the debate table? this has nothing to do with the faith, except it seems to be a question of human dignity, which i think would be grossly violated (as i mentioned earlier) if we had women mass produce their breast milk, treating them like cows instead of ppl

[Sojourner]

I just read recently about an effort to get a breast-milk bank built up in my state, which I think is a good idea, something akin to a blood bank (as someone has already mentioned).

But for an adult ... no way. I barely like drinking cow's milk because I'm not all that thrilled with the health risks associated with it, and I think it would be even harder to regulate quality of human breast milk.

Plus it's just gross, and somehow very demeaning. Like LD said .. it turns something natural and beautiful into a commodity in a way that's just wrong.

[Cam42]

This is a disgusting thread......

[ReinnieR]

i can't imagine eating cereal with it

[journeyman]

First off, I've always liked milk

How to delicately put this . . . when one's spouse sincerely desires that the internal pressure of the milk on her breasts be relieved, and the infant chooses that night to sleep through a feeding, and the breast pump is downstairs in the kitchen (or just plain missing in action), it might be considered a kindness (perhaps even a duty) to assist in any way one can. The taste is not unpleasant, the texture is not the same as whole (cow) milk, more like low fat or skim.

I know, I know, TMI

I don't have the medical knowledge, but I believe that human breast milk is the best food for infants during the first few weeks of life, and the Laleche League (sp?) among others advocate breast feeding for longer periods. As pointed out above, the mother and child are biologically customized for each other.

The long history of wetnurses suggests that even though the mother is the ideal source, there is little risk in the breast milk of one who is not the biological mother.

Mass production for mass consumption, "lacks respect" is not strong enough, "degrading" is hardly strong enough . . . but I'm at a loss for the right adjective for that sort of "objectification"

[avemaria40]

it's ok to pump breast milk and store it, wetnurses are ok, and so are milk banks, like if a mom can't nurse do to surgery, AIDS, etc or if a baby is adopted, sick or premature, etc. but mass consumption of breastmilk just seems to be really wrong.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='journeyman' date='Aug 20 2005, 11:17 PM']First off, I've always liked milk

How to delicately put this . . . when one's spouse sincerely desires that the internal pressure of the milk on her breasts be relieved, and the infant chooses that night to sleep through a feeding, and the breast pump is downstairs in the kitchen (or just plain missing in action), it might be considered a kindness (perhaps even a duty) to assist in any way one can.  The taste is not unpleasant, the texture is not the same as whole (cow) milk, more like low fat or skim.
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Are you implying that you actually had some?

[Dreamweaver]

I think I read somewhere that human breast milk is way to rich for adults to drink. It has the nutrients for fast growing babies. Though the idea for breast milk banks for sick/premature infants is a wonderful idea, mass producing human milk for profit is wrong. Where's the dignity to motherhood?

[TrinityAddiction]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Aug 21 2005, 09:27 PM']I think I read somewhere that human breast milk is way to rich for adults to drink. It has the nutrients for fast growing babies. Though the idea for breast milk banks for sick/premature infants is a wonderful idea, mass producing human milk for profit is wrong. Where's the dignity to motherhood?
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I agree.

[Sojourner]

[quote]Are you implying that you actually had some? [/quote]

It would appear so.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='journeyman' date='Aug 20 2005, 10:17 PM']How to delicately put this . . . when one's spouse sincerely desires that the internal pressure of the milk on her breasts be relieved, and the infant chooses that night to sleep through a feeding, and the breast pump is downstairs in the kitchen (or just plain missing in action), it might be considered a kindness (perhaps even a duty) to assist in any way one can.  The taste is not unpleasant, the texture is not the same as whole (cow) milk, more like low fat or skim.
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I don't know if I could handle that.. I've never even heard of that. I wonder if its common??

[Winchester]

CAm42 has mommy issues.

I null voted because I wasn't sure which answer was appropos.

I find it odd when thinking about it that we don't mind drinking cow milk. Have any of you seen a cow udder?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Winchester' date='Aug 21 2005, 11:27 PM']I find it odd when thinking about it that we don't mind drinking cow milk. Have any of you seen a cow udder?
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I like cow and goat milk when it is freshly milked. But I can be a pretty earthy guy. I'm sure many softy Americans would be turned off to milk if they saw where it comes from. But still, animals are a gift from God and it is good when they are used for food. It is us being sustained by God's creation. But if human beings were used in this way it would be a most heinous form of exploitation and dehumanization.
The difference is really tied to the difference between humans and animals.
I wouldn't eat a human steak, but I wouldn't mind eating a beef steak.

[blueufo7]

i drink special milk that has an enzyme that converts the lactose into simple sugars :-(

but it still tastes good with Honey Bunches of Oats

and tastes much better than SOY milk! yuck!

[Sojourner]

[quote]I find it odd when thinking about it that we don't mind drinking cow milk. Have any of you seen a cow udder? [/quote]

I have. My mom went through various health kicks during my growing up. One of them was fresh, unprocessed milk. We'd go to the dairy down the road and get our milk there, then skim off the cream and use it in cooking and such. I didn't like the taste of it much ... but then, I've never been a big fan of milk. I'm slightly lactose intolerant, so that's part of it ... but I just don't like the feel of it, for whatever reason. I rarely buy it now, except to use in baking.

[Didacus]

Anyone read the 'Grapes of Wrath'?

Remember at the end to save that man's life they gave him the milk from the woman?

You do as you have to do.... Sometimes it might seem weird... but you do it nonetheless...

[Didacus]

double post...



sorry....



I feel shame....






much, much shame... Edited August 22, 2005 by Didacus

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Aug 21 2005, 07:19 PM']Are you implying that you actually had some?
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Lets us not go there :

Yes it happens, but is way too much info.