The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter

[Paladin D]

Anyone heard of the [url="http://www.fssp.com/"]Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter[/url]? It seems they're trying to promote the traditional Latin Mass, and they're loyal to the Pope. Also, we just got a letter from them because of a crisis, not a shortage one, but a crisis of growth.

[b]EDIT:[/b] They started out in Scranton, PA, but later on built a completely new seminary (from the ground up) in Denton, Nebraska. [url="http://www.fssp.org/en/seminaireD.htm"]http://www.fssp.org/en/seminaireD.htm[/url]

Edited August 22, 2005 by Paladin D

[Era Might]

They were founded by John Paul II himself, for those who chose not to join the SSPX in schism back in 1988.

[Sojourner]

Yeah, we have an FSSP guy who does a Latin Mass at a church 2 minutes from my house. He's cool.

[All For Jesus]

Yeah, I've heard of them...sound like their a great bunch. I think their seminaries are bursting at the seams...there might even be a wait list to get in (can't remember)

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

I've been to an FSSP mass. They're definitely a good group and one that is most definitely not having a 'vocations crisis.'

[thessalonian]

I've heard Catholic Answers talk about them. I would love to attend one of their masses.

[Paladin D]

I'm curious as to why they are doing so well!

[Sojourner]

Because they're faithful Catholics, and people find that attractive.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

they are chills

some people ACT UALLY like the TLM!

(I know isn't it crazy that faithful catholics like the mass of all time)

Edited August 22, 2005 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus

[theculturewarrior]

I went to an FSSP mass a few times. It wasn't the "smells and bells" experience I had hoped for, and I came out of it with a new appreciation for the unbroken liturgical tradition of the Church.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='Aug 22 2005, 04:51 PM']Because they're faithful Catholics, and people find that attractive.
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I know that, but I'm talking about that particular celebration of the Mass. Is it Novus Ordo or Tridentine?

[theculturewarrior]

It's Tridentine.

[Aloysius]

yeah, the Traditional Latin Mass is not to be underestimated. It is quite a timeless piece of liturgy. Especially infused with so many traditions and sacredness (many of which can, and should, be done in the pauline missal but are often neglected)... incence, bells, universal latin language, ad orientum position that emphasizes the sacrifice, gregorian chant, organ, tons of altar boys who actually do stuff, an altar rail and reception on the tongue on the knees..

if novus ordo churches were to do a lot of those things, especially the altar boy thing, they'd be doing better as well with vocations

I love the FSSP..

[Paladin D]

It sounds neat, why did they replace it with the Novus Ordo?

[theculturewarrior]

It wasn't "replaced." The Novus Ordo is the Tridentine Mass reformed. The qualities of the Tridentine Mass Aloysius lists above should be part of the Novus Ordo too. Their discontinuation has nothing to do with either Rite.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Aug 22 2005, 05:02 PM']It wasn't "replaced." The Novus Ordo is the Tridentine Mass reformed. The qualities of the Tridentine Mass Aloysius lists above should be part of the Novus Ordo too. Their discontinuation has nothing to do with either Rite.
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Ahhh.

[the_rev]

There cool, one of the guys fromt eh seminary help out with my site once in a while.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

modernization. communisim and liberalism.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Aug 22 2005, 05:02 PM']It wasn't "replaced." The Novus Ordo is the Tridentine Mass reformed. The qualities of the Tridentine Mass Aloysius lists above should be part of the Novus Ordo too. Their discontinuation has nothing to do with either Rite.
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yeah, I mentioned that in my thing. I said "most" because I believe most bishops will not allow their priests to face ad orientum though I do believe it is possible in the novus ordo missae.

the Pauline Missal is a re-formed version of the old mass, but it also is related to the ambrosian (Paul VI himself was from the archdiocese of milan where the ambrosian was celebrated). I don't think it is incorrect, then, to say that the Tridentine Mass was replaced by the Pauline Mass as the missa normativa of the roman rite.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Aug 22 2005, 05:12 PM']modernization. communisim and liberalism.
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you are not totally wrong if you are referring to why the ICEL mistranslated a lot of the mass.... it was hard to get translators without agendas back then...

but that is absolutely absurd to say that the novus ordo missae became the missa normativa of the roman church because of 'modernization, communism, and liberalism"

the novus ordo missae was designed to further Vatican II's call to personal holiness of every man. prior to that, it was common to think of holiness as something only priests should aspire to and the normal lay folk should just stay back and confess to them when they were bad and attend mass where the priest showed how holy he was when he prayed. that was a common misunderstanding of the laity, and it was a bad thing. so they made the mass more accessable to the laity. they began far prior to the second vatican council... Pius XII I believe had already begun some reforms such as the 3 levels of participation a tridentine mass could be offered in. (level 1 being what was going on before Pius XII, levels 2 and 3 being more participation of the laity)