Atheists don't exist

[Fidei Defensor]

If you personally have all the proof you need for God, someone does not and is not required to prove it to you as well. Sometimes, not all proof can be accepted by everyone, nor is it necesarily proof to everyone.

Once you experience the love that is Christ, you have all the proof you need, even if it does not seem logical.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Aug 24 2005, 06:54 PM'][quote name='Mikhail']No, I know there is a God. There is a difference.[/quote]

Ok. But there is a chance that you are wrong. You think it's a very small one and I think it's huge. Or are you saying that there isn't even itsy-bitsy doubt about God?
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ive heard that very religous people have doubted god at least once in their lives. If you are asking people if they currently have any doubt towards god that is a different thing.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:37 PM']If you personally have all the proof you need for God, someone does not and is not required to prove it to you as well.  Sometimes, not all proof can be accepted by everyone, nor is it necesarily proof to everyone.
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which means that it is not proof. Alls i was saying is that if you make the statement "There is a god".........a factual like statement............then i think you need to back it up with proof. Its different than just saying "I believe in god". If you are saying that i was being harsh on that person for what he/she said then yea i am. Its something i struggle with. And i am sorry Mikheal if i have offended your belief system.

Edited August 25, 2005 by infinitelord1

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:38 PM']which means that it is not proof.
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I think you missed the whole point of my post.

Not all proof is something that everyone accepts.

There is plenty of proof. But anyone can deny proof, misunderstand proof, or not know enough to understand why it is proof. It is possible to have personal proof, that only you can understand in light of grace from God.

[infinitelord1]

i think that it frustrates me when i see people say "there is a god"

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:40 PM']I think you missed the whole point of my post.

Not all proof is something that everyone accepts.

There is plenty of proof.  But anyone can deny proof,  misunderstand proof, or not know enough to understand why it is proof.  It is possible to have personal proof, that only you can understand in light of grace from God.
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sorry but i disagree............there are things that suggest his existence but there is no proof. evidence and proof are two different things.

Edited August 25, 2005 by infinitelord1

[Fidei Defensor]

It frustrates me when people demand you to give them factual proof when you claim to know God exists.

Bud, there isnt enough factual proof in the world that could prove anything. The real proof is knowing Christ and his love and mercy. You will need no other convincing then. That is why we can say we know God exists.

[infinitelord1]

for something to be proof doesnt it have to be universal?

[infinitelord1]

first of all i personally am not demanding proof from anyone at this very moment. you can prove without uncertainty that 2+2=4.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:48 PM']for something to be proof doesnt it have to be universal?
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You are still not getting my point, so I will quite attempting at it.

Once you know Jesus, you know God exists.

I am finished here. I tried, yet failed.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:45 PM']It frustrates me when people demand you to give them factual proof when you claim to know God exists.

Bud, there isnt enough factual proof in the world that could prove anything.  The real proof is knowing Christ and his love and mercy.  You will need no other convincing then. That is why we can say we know God exists.
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you dont really need convincing when you can say "i believe in god". At that point you have accepted the things that suggest his existence. I am simply just staiting my beliefs here..........i dont expect anyone to agree however i enjoy the heat of the debate.

[infinitelord1]

i think that i do see what you are saying...........we are approaching the issue from 2 different perspectives. I am simply approaching it from a worldly perspective. If you "know" there is a god then thats great.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:56 PM']i think that i do see what you are saying...........we are approaching the issue from 2 different perspectives. I am simply approaching it from a worldly perspective. If you "know" there is a god then thats great.
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Worldly wisdom will give you squat.

[infinitelord1]

fidei.......lol..........no need to get upset..........i eat this stuff up and when i see an opposition to belief system i face it.........i dont get mad when someones point is more valid than mine...........i dont get mad when someone doesnt agree with me............i like the sport of debate.........its a game to me and its almost like a learning game. A lot of times i express my opinions as facts...........you are right who am i to tell someone else that they have no proof............but being who i am..........when i express my opinions i hold that position until proven wrong logically.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='Aug 24 2005, 10:58 PM']Worldly wisdom will give you squat.
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if one could completely follow logic and fact then i disagree. I hope that fact and proofs and such would only prove gods existence. If he exists then i believe that they would prove his existence. Its lies and twisted facts that lead people away from god..........not wordly proof.........so far anyways.

Edited August 25, 2005 by infinitelord1

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Aug 24 2005, 11:00 PM']fidei.......lol..........no need to get upset..........i eat this stuff up and when i see an opposition to belief system i face it.........i dont get mad when someones point is more valid than mine...........i dont get mad when someone doesnt agree with me............i like the sport of debate.........its a game to me and its almost like a learning game. A lot of times i express my opinions as facts...........you are right who am i to tell someone else that they have no proof............but being who i am..........when i express my opinions i hold that position until proven wrong logically.
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I understand. I do not mean to appear to be upset, because I am not. I am only saying that all the worldly wisdom in the world wont prove anything to you.