Some Sensitivity For Our Separated Brethren..?

[littleflower+JMJ]

Look I am aa converted Protestant and I for one think this board is soft on Protestanta, and Heretics in General, But we are horridly soft on Paganism, even to the point of sometimes seeming to compromise the Truth of the faith so as not to offend them. I see alot more traditionalist bashing on Phatmass than Protestant bashing, so I really don't see howw this is a problem.

donjon welcome back.

donjon always knows best. B)

+jmj

[CatholicAndFanatical]

Don jon where ya been?

And

in the words of my great grand pappy - "Tru Dat!"

[Muschi]

Hello Donjon,

You make an interesting point on "trad-bashing". Forgive the horrible abbreviation, it reminds me of when I had stated earlier on this phorum that I hate the word "prot". Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T? I'm not sure I can!

At any rate, I am a new convert to the CAtholic Faith, only having been received into the Church on Easter Vigil last year. (God help His Church! )

But, the more I learn, the more I come to appreciate the Traditionalist point of view. Now I don't consider myself a Traditionalist but I would definately prefer to see Latin re-instated at least on SOME level in our Masses. Personally, I'd rather err on the side of "conservatism than liberalism" but I guess erring is erring.

If this letter betrays much ignorance to those who read it, then I would say you are quite right! I'm still learning. I just don't want to "bash" anyone! Although I CAN appreciate a good venting now and then. My current "hangup" is with the infiltration of New Age being introduced into our Retreat Centers and even in our Liturgy, (at least one church that I know of...) This makes Protestantism seem like a "harmless puppy". ! God bless all of you and thanks for putting up with me!!! - Muschi :)

[cmotherofpirl]

THe words liberal, conservative etc really have no place in the Catholic Church.

These are political terms.

You are either faithful to the teachings of the Holy Father /Magisterium / Church

or not.

Like pregnancy, there are no in between stages, you are or you are not Catholic.

[Don John of Austria]

Cmom I agree insofar as you are speaking of dissent, however the Church at its core is conservative, it's slow to change and value tradition( espeacilly with a big T) It is a conservative institution by nature. but of course dissent is dissent.

[Muschi]

Cmotherofpirl1

You are correct. Either a Catholic is faithful to the teaching magisterium of the Church (which obviously includes the Pope), or if he/she is not, they no longer can lay claim to the title "Catholic".

Please keep in mind if you can.......the following. (I actually almost typed the foolwing, wonder if that might have been right after all?

1) I am from California.....(don't laugh anyone! ) where we just got rid of one "catholic" pro-abortion governor for another. Needless to say, I'm embarrassed for the shame these politicians bring upon our good faith. See my point?

2) When I experience or hear of Catholics claiming the "spirit of Vatican II" as an excuse for liturgical abuses/all abuses such as bringing in the teachings of the Enneagram/yoga/tai chi/Centering prayer, a.k.a. TM, and other occultic practices, what am I supposed to say?

Due to an experience I endured yesterday, I actually experienced for the first time in almost two years of being Catholic, (I'll grant that I'm still young and immature in the faith), but this was the first time I did NOT want to go to Mass. I wanted nothing to do with Christianity. I was so angry, hurt and felt betrayed! Nevertheless, I swallowed my pride?.......at least my anger and of course went because I cannot believe that there is no God and I didn't want to pass Him by.

Thanks for reading and suffering my rantings, I am really going through one of the toughest times I have experienced as a Christian ever! I'm just a big baby I guess! - Love, Muschi :D

[cmotherofpirl]

Cmotherofpirl1

You are correct.  Either a Catholic is faithful to the teaching magisterium of the Church (which obviously includes the Pope), or if he/she is not, they no longer can lay claim to the title "Catholic". 

Please keep in mind if you can.......the following.  (I actually almost typed the foolwing, wonder if that might have been right after all? 

1)  I am from California.....(don't laugh anyone!    ) where we just got rid of one "catholic" pro-abortion governor for another.  Needless to say, I'm embarrassed for the shame these politicians bring upon our good faith.  See my point?

2)  When I experience or hear of Catholics claiming the "spirit of Vatican II" as an excuse for liturgical abuses/all abuses such as bringing in the teachings of the Enneagram/yoga/tai chi/Centering prayer, a.k.a. TM, and other occultic practices, what am I supposed to say?

Due to an experience I endured yesterday, I actually experienced for the first time in almost two years of being Catholic, (I'll grant that I'm still young and immature in the faith), but this was the first time I did NOT want to go to Mass.  I wanted nothing to do with Christianity.  I was so angry, hurt and felt betrayed!  Nevertheless, I swallowed my pride?.......at least my anger and of course went because I cannot believe that there is no God and I didn't want to pass Him by.

Thanks for reading and suffering my rantings, I am really going through one of the toughest times I have experienced as a Christian ever!  I'm just a big baby I guess! - Love, Muschi :D

When someone starts spouting such stuff, ask them which council document backs up what they are saying? Which encyclical or letter or directive from the Pope, Magisterium or Church in general backs them up?

Vague generalities do NOT cut it.

If its something from your diocese, ask to see it in WRITING. If they cannot produce a document or CHURCH teaching, then stick to your guns.

Catholics have a right to CATHOLIC teaching, nothing more and nothing less.

Sometimes dearie, we are Catholic in spite of the idiots out there, not because of them. Remember the parable of the wheat and tares.

Never let anything get between you and Jesus Christ in the Mass. :)

[Azriel]

Priests crawling out of the Devil's butt...

Another unfortunate side affect of hunger.

hahhhhhahhhhahhhahahhahaha.

Thanks Pal. That made my day. :lol:

[God Conquers]

WOOHOO! 16th Century political rhetoric!!!!! I love it!

[Muschi]

WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT!!??!!

What is this nasty thing really supposed to portray?

igghhh! Now I know that it isn't just this generation that's perverse. We had "good teachers". (I mean that in the loosest of terms.)

iiiiggghh, !!! :ph34r: -Muschi

:P

[God Conquers]

You said it Muschi. The modern media's got NOTHING onn 17th and 18th century popular press.

[vianney]

sorry guys foundship and I decided to delete those pictures that were up earlier. We didnt think it was promoting good dialogue and could be taken as offensive. If you ahve any problems with that pm us.

[Paladin D]

sorry guys foundship and I decided to delete those pictures that were up earlier. We didnt think it was promoting good dialogue and could be taken as offensive. If you ahve any problems with that pm us.

PM me the link, so I can save it on my harddrive to laugh at.

[MrsFrozen]

Hi, everyone.. I have been Catholic all my life, and have had to deal with predjudice all my life. My husband was a "non-practicing" Protestant when we met, and he had so many misconceptions about the Catholic church, I could hardly believe my ears! But the difference between him and many of those who hate Catholics is that my husband was willing to discuss, read, and learn the truth about our Church. And there are many Protestants out there willing to do the same. In fact, good friends of ours, a married couple, are Protestant and have done their research. They're confused as to how anyone could think the Church is NOT scriptural.

There was a time when I let anti-Catholics really get to me. It still bothers me that people could think such awful things, but if someone's not willing to let go of their hate, not willing to educate themselves about the Church, not willing to open their ears and listen, then the only thing I have found left to do is turn it over to God. Pray for them. Don't continue to argue, don't fight, don't fuel the fire. Recommend some good books, excuse yourself from the situation, and pray to the Lord that their hearts let go of the hatred. Don't allow yourself to be consumed with this sort of thing..

God loves EVERYONE, and we are children of God, to therefore walk in the footsteps of Jesus. No predjudice is right, against Catholics, Protestants, or otherwise. Prayer is powerful stuff, and that's the best way to deal with any situation!

(Hoping this didn't come across as TOO preachy! )

[God Conquers]

I think it had just the right amount of preachiness. Thanks so much! Welcome to Phatmass!

[MrsFrozen]

Thank you! I'm really glad to be here! :)

[Muschi]

Hello, MrsFrozen-

I didn't think you were being "preachy" although if sincere, "preachy" can be good!

You are right on in what you had to say, and you actually helped me in how I will deal with a situation that I've been in on a Protestant forum.

You never know just how timely a word in due season can be! - God bless you! - Muschi

[Don John of Austria]

Well as the resident basher of heads.

Frozen I understand your goals and think them good, but I completely disagree with you. Prejudice means prejudgement and God requires that we be Predjudiced For and Agianst, all kinds of things. I am prejudiced agianst Protestantism it shreded Christendom, it continues to lead people away from Christ to what they want Christ to be. It is Evil ( that doesn't mean that all Protestants are Evil, but Protestantiam is). We should be civil but not simply walk away for to do so is to shirk our responsability to God and to our fellow man who is in Grave danger of losing his soul.

[cmotherofpirl]

Well as the resident basher of heads.

Frozen I understand your goals and think them good, but I completely disagree with you. Prejudice means prejudgement and God requires that we be Predjudiced For and Agianst, all kinds of things. I am prejudiced agianst Protestantism it shreded Christendom, it continues to lead people away from Christ to what they want Christ to be. It is Evil ( that doesn't mean that all Protestants are Evil, but Protestantiam is).  We should be civil but not simply walk away for to do so is to shirk our responsability to God and to our fellow man who is in Grave danger of losing his soul.

Tell us what you really think Don :lol:

[God Conquers]

Tell us what you really think Don

haha, I don't wanna be around for that.

just kidding, I do.