Luke 22:35-38

[White Knight]

[b]Luke 22:35-38 "And He said to them, [color=red]"When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?"[/color] So they said "Nothing." Then He said to them, [color=red]"But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me 'And He was numbered with transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." [/color]So they said "Lord, look here are two swords." And He said to them, [color=red]"It is enough."[/color][/b]


What extactly does this mean?

Is it self defence?

Edited August 31, 2005 by White Knight

[StColette]

Gathering stuff from different sources:

NAB Footnotes:

{36] In contrast to the ministry of the Twelve and of the seventy-two during the period of Jesus (Luke 9:3; 10:4), in the future period of the church the missionaries must be prepared for the opposition they will face in a world hostile to their preaching.

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LUKE 22:35-38
“…THE ONE WHO HAS NO SWORD MUST SELL HIS CLOAK AND BUY ONE.”

Jesus’ words here are immersed in a discourse to his disciples about the coming crisis: He said to them, “When I sent you out without a purse, bag, or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “No, not a thing.” He said to them, “But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me, ‘And he was counted among the lawless’; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled.” They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” He replied, “It is enough.”

Two key aspects of this text render it impossible that Jesus is arming his followers with actual swords. First, the disciples’ literal take on Jesus’ words misunderstands (again) his message “Since Luke narrates in his Gospel that Jesus not only preached love of enemies but also lived that teaching,” writes Karris in the NJBC, “and since he narrates in Acts that Paul and other missionaries never use swords, he cannot mean by ‘sword’ here a lethal weapon.” Rather, the sword here serves as a symbol for the danger and crisis to come.

Moreover, the ironic meaning of “It is enough” in verse 38 allows Luke to make a point. Though the Greek hikanos can mean “sufficient,” it is employed here to mean “enough of this!” This sentiment is driven home in the scene that follows in verses 47-53. Upon his arrest, Jesus rebukes a disciple for using a sword to cut off the ear of the high priest’s servant. Rather than applaud the disciple for faithful obedience to his instructions, Jesus again echoes verse 38, responding “Stop, no more of this!” And in contrast to the slash of the sword, “he touched the servant’s ear and healed him.”

[38] It is enough!: the farewell discourse ends abruptly with these words of Jesus spoken to the disciples when they take literally what was intended as figurative language about being prepared to face the world's hostility.

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the words of Jesus in Luke 22:35-38: "Let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one." This seems to be a symbolic way of warning that persecution was coming. The Apostles, as so often, did not grasp it, and so replied: "Here are two swords." As if giving up on their dullness, Jesus just replied: It is enough.

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[phatcatholic]

Navarre Bible Commentary:[list][b]36-38. [/b]Jesus announces his passion by applying to himself the Isaiah prophecy about the Servant of Yahweh (Is 53:12)--"he was numbered with the transgressors"--and by pointing out that all the other prophecies about the sufferings the Redeemer would undergo will find fulfilment in him. The testing-time is imminent and our Lord is speaking symbolically when he talks about making provision and buying weapons to put up a fight. The Apostles take him literally, and this leads him to express a certain indulgent understanding: "It is enough". "Just in the same way as we," Theophylact says, "when we are speaking to someone and see that he does not understand, say: 'Very well, leave it'" ([i]Enarratio in Evangelium Lucae, in loc.[/i]).
[/list]Ignatius Study Bible:[list][b]22:37 reckoned with transgressors:[/b] Jesus views his ensuing Passion through the lense of OT prophecy. In particular, he excerpts from Isaiah's vision of the Suffering Servant (Is 53:12). This figure represents the rejected Messiah, who is despised (53:3), wounded (53:5), and struck down (53:8). He is even numbered among the sinners, yet his is innocent and offers himself as a sacrifice for the sins of others (53:10-12). The NT often depicts Jesus as this Suffering Servant (Mt 8:17; Acts 8:32-35; 1 Pet 2:24-25; CCC 601, 713).

[b]22:38 It is enough: [/b]An expression of frustration. Although Jesus spoke of swords metaphorically in 22:36 to warn of the coming spiritual battle, some of the disciples took his words literally. Jesus will clarify his meaning in a subsequent episode when he rebukes Peter for violently defending him with a sword (22:49-51).
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[White Knight]

[quote name='StColette' date='Aug 31 2005, 07:13 PM']Gathering stuff from different sources:

NAB Footnotes:

{36] In contrast to the ministry of the Twelve and of the seventy-two during the period of Jesus (Luke 9:3; 10:4), in the future period of the church the missionaries must be prepared for the opposition they will face in a world hostile to their preaching.

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LUKE 22:35-38
“…THE ONE WHO HAS NO SWORD MUST SELL HIS CLOAK AND BUY ONE.”

Jesus’ words here are immersed in a discourse to his disciples about the coming crisis: He said to them, “When I sent you out without a purse, bag, or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “No, not a thing.” He said to them, “But now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me, ‘And he was counted among the lawless’; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled.” They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” He replied, “It is enough.”

Two key aspects of this text render it impossible that Jesus is arming his followers with actual swords. First, the disciples’ literal take on Jesus’ words misunderstands (again) his message “Since Luke narrates in his Gospel that Jesus not only preached love of enemies but also lived that teaching,” writes Karris in the NJBC, “and since he narrates in Acts that Paul and other missionaries never use swords, he cannot mean by ‘sword’ here a <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.qklinkserver.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=92&k=lethal%20weapon&st=1" onmouseover="window.status='Search for: lethal weapon'; self.ql_skeyphrase='lethal%20weapon'; if(window.event) self.ql_sevent=window.event.srcElement; self.ql_timeout = setTimeout('ql_doMouseOver(1)', 1000); self.ql_isOverLink=true; return true;" onclick="if(self.ql_timeout) clearTimeout(self.ql_timeout); self.ql_isOverTip = false; ql_closeiframe(); self.ql_skeyphrase='lethal%20weapon'; window.status='Search for: lethal weapon';return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; if(self.ql_timeout) clearTimeout(self.ql_timeout); self.ql_isOverTip = false; setTimeout('ql_closeiframe()', 1500); ">lethal weapon</a>.” Rather, the sword here serves as a symbol for the danger and crisis to come.

Moreover, the ironic meaning of “It is enough” in verse 38 allows Luke to make a point. Though the Greek hikanos can mean “sufficient,” it is employed here to mean “enough of this!” This sentiment is driven home in the scene that follows in verses 47-53. Upon his arrest, Jesus rebukes a disciple for using a sword to cut off the ear of the high priest’s servant. Rather than applaud the disciple for faithful obedience to his instructions, Jesus again echoes verse 38, responding “Stop, no more of this!” And in contrast to the slash of the sword, “he touched the servant’s ear and healed him.”

[38] It is enough!: the farewell discourse ends abruptly with these words of Jesus spoken to the disciples when they take literally what was intended as figurative language about being prepared to face the world's hostility.

[url="http://www.catholicpeacefellowship.org/sopIII2/sop6.htm"]http://www.catholicpeacefellowship.org/sopIII2/sop6.htm[/url]

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the words of Jesus in Luke 22:35-38: "Let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one." This seems to be a symbolic way of warning that persecution was coming. The Apostles, as so often, did not grasp it, and so replied: "Here are two swords." As if giving up on their dullness, Jesus just replied: It is enough.

[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/most/getwork.cfm?worknum=142"]http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/most/g...cfm?worknum=142[/url]
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[StColette]

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[phatcatholic]

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[White Knight]

[b]StColette[/b] is always on the target. Always right on the dot. always there to help out. God Bless You.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 2 2005, 04:33 PM'][b]StColette[/b] is always on the target. Always right on the dot. always there to help out. God Bless You.
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[phatcatholic]

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[StColette]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 1 2005, 11:40 PM']everytime i think i've found all the cool websites, jennie comes up w/ one i've never seen before!!


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[quote name='White Knight']StColette is always on the target. Always right on the dot. always there to help out. God Bless You.[/quote]

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[quote name='Raphael']Yes, she's very good and picking and choosing just the right thing.[/quote]

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[quote name='phatcatholic']
  haha! not always[/quote]

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