Good Catholic colleges?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='let_go_let_God' date='Sep 2 2005, 06:49 PM']I beleive that St. Thomas in St. Paul MN is pretty good, and it's just plain pretty.

God bless-
LGLG
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Are you kidding?

[kateri05]

how come christendom can't have distance learning too? i wish i had options....

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Sep 3 2005, 10:24 AM']thats not really the point of the SSPX.
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So one day, Joe walks down the street and sees Bob stealing a TV from a neighbor's living room. He walks up and blows Bob away with a shotgun. When Joe is brought before a judge, it is quickly discovered that he prefers the old ways of the Wild West. The judge, being himself a Western history buff, says to him, "the old ways of the Wild West were in the hands of those with authority in the law."

"Yes, your honor," says Joe, "but those in authority have abandoned it."

The judge retorts, "we have not abandoned the ways of the Wild West. The ways of the Wild West were of justice, friendship, respect, and brotherly love."

"That's not what I saw," says Joe.

"That," replies the judge, "is because you kept your eyes on the vigilantes, not on those in authority. The vigilantes were the means used to enforce the way, but as time changed, there was need to adapt our means...not our way, because the way of life is the same...but the means change as the people no longer respond the same way to them, and thus, the way is no longer followed. When that happens, the means need to be adapted, so that we can live the same way through ever-effective means."

"Vigilantes weren't a bad thing," snapped Joe.

"No," said the judge, "they weren't...because they were working with those in authority. Once those in authority changed their means, however, and invited all those vigilantes to join them and become their deputies, some did and some, prefering their own methods, did not. Once they parted ways with those in authority, they abandoned their authority, because they has lost connection with their foundation. Since that point, vigilantes were criminals taking the law in their own hands and assuming that they knew best how to deal with new threats...using older means."

"There are still vigilantes today, though! Militias and private security guards!"

"Ah...but they all work with those in authority and their work is much appreciated. You, however, are a vigilante who separates himself from the law. You had no authority to kill your neighbor or to sow discord. How do you justify yourself?"

Joe stood there, quiet, and unable to answer.

"If only you had followed our means or worked for us...you could have brought this criminal to justice...you could have led him toward what could have saved him from a far worse death, but instead, you kept him from ever repenting. Thus, for the hardness of your heart, you will be given a chance to repent, but until such time, you shall be cut off from society, since you yourself have judged society."

[argent_paladin]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 2 2005, 06:24 PM']i have a question:

from among the best catholic colleges in the US, which ones have excellent graduate degrees in theology. most of the colleges people usually name don't have a grad program.

of course, i know of FUS and Ave Maria University, but what about the others?
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As someone who just did the Ph.D. philosophy search, I can fill you in on the sad state of orthodox graduate programs in Theology in America.

First, good universities, but only with masters programs (some also have STLs):
1. [url="http://www.udallas.edu/braniff/mtheology.cfm"]University of Dallas[/url]
3.[url="http://www.dhs.edu/dhs_home/dhs_ma.html"]Dominican House of Studies[/url]
4.[url="http://www.aodonline.org/SHMS/Academic+Programs+13375/Master+of+Arts+in+Theology+5979/Master+of+Arts+in+Theology+Program.htm"]Sacred Heart Seminary, Detroit[/url]
5.[url="http://www.franciscan.edu/home2/Content/Admissions/main.aspx?id=695&cc=737"]FUS[/url]

Next, schools with good Ph.D programs:
1.[url="http://religiousstudies.cua.edu/graduate/civil.cfm"]Catholic University[/url]
2.[url="http://www.naples.avemaria.edu/academics/graduate_programs/index.asp"]Ave Maria University[/url] (I am a bit wary, because they haven't graduated any Ph.D's yet.)
Also, you could get a pretty good education at Notre Dame, but you have to be careful. I'd say CUA is the best because you could supplement your classes with ones at the DHS and at the JPII Institute for Marriage and family.

I am sure I missed some grad programs, but there really aren't that many for theology. If you want to study philosophy or something else, there are more choices.

If you know Italian, consider the Gregorian in Rome. If not, consider the Angelicum in Rome. Or become a seminarian, there are several good seminary programs.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Sep 7 2005, 03:43 PM']If you know Italian, consider the Gregorian in Rome. If not, consider the Angelicum in Rome. Or become a seminarian, there are several good seminary programs.
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Pssst...the original poster is a girl...

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='kateri05' date='Sep 7 2005, 12:07 PM']how come christendom can't have distance learning too?   i wish i had options....
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I don't know. I'd say a few things but they probably wouldn't be very nice. I'm mad at them right now. lol

[argent_paladin]

I just found out that Catholic University of America was explicitly founded to teach and spread Thomism (the philosophy and theology of Thomas Aquinas, the standard for the Church for centuries). I think that's so cool.

And, I was answering phatcatholics question about good grad programs in theology, not zabbazooey's question about good programs in education. Becoming a seminarian (besides being impossible) would also not be the best way to study early education.

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
9/7 - Twenty-third Wednesday

Try to stay away from the Roman programs (this comes from a student of the Angelicum), not because they're bad programs - they're wonderful - but because in the secular world they have [i]no respect[/i]. A degree from the Russicum or the Gregorian might get you far in Church circles, but it won't help in the real academic world.

Whatever program you look for, make sure it is truly [b][i]CATHOLIC[/b][/i]. Not just doctrinal orthodoxy, however important that may be, but also an environment that encourages true intellectual activity. One of the worst things about "good" Catholic colleges is that the approach to the study of the Faith is more fundamentalist than truly Catholic. Make sure that there is an authentic, deep desire to search for the Truth - in Ex Corde Ecclesiae, John Paul II says that students must search for Truth. Truth doesn't just come to us on a silver platter (or bound in a green book, for that matter), it must be sought and lived because it exists in Jesus Christ. Through investigation, you can always get to know more about Jesus Christ, and thus the Truth.

Any institution that will not allow an authentic search for the Truth (which is one that challenges the Faith for the betterment of the searcher) is not worth your time or money. The Faith is strong and true enough to withstand any of our meager objections, and some people don't seem to realize that.

I'm done ranting. :

[qfnol31]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Sep 7 2005, 04:45 PM']I just found out that Catholic University of America was explicitly founded to teach and spread Thomism (the philosophy and theology of Thomas Aquinas, the standard for the Church for centuries). I think that's so cool.

And, I was answering phatcatholics question about good grad programs in theology, not zabbazooey's question about good programs in education. Becoming a seminarian (besides being impossible) would also not be the best way to study early education.
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I think UD has a Ph.D. program.

Oh, and Pio Nono, not to argue, but I think my school would be extremely happy if I went to Rome and came back to teach for them.

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[christusrexnoster]

I'm in a similar situation. Benedictine is probably the closest but I woudln't say the best. If I were you I would really look into Franciscan University of Steubenville, I'm visiting there in a few weeks, or Christendom in Front Royal VA. Some other Catholic Colleges that are more than nominally Catholic are The University of Dallas, Ave Maria University, St Thomas Aquainas California, St Thomas Moore (Near Cincinnatti)...

[christusrexnoster]

I'd investigate hard if I really was serious about Catholic University. I know in the past they were a bit liberal. I hear they are comming arround but I'm not sure where they are at currently.

[Cam42]

[quote name='let_go_let_God' date='Sep 2 2005, 07:49 PM']I beleive that St. Thomas in St. Paul MN is pretty good, and it's just plain pretty.

God bless-
LGLG
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Ahhh.....my [url="http://www.stthomas.edu/"]alma mater.[/url] The [url="http://www.stthomas.edu/cathstudies/index.html"]Catholic Studies Program[/url] is one of the best and the oldest in the country. Acutally, it is the first of it's kind. It is the model for all others. And I am one of the first graduates of this program, along with Thumper.

I strongly suggest this school. While parts of it are very liberal, the CCS is not. It is the first program to fully institute Ex Corde Ecclesiae in the country.

Strongly suggested.....

[zunshynn]

St. Gregory's University in Oklahoma seems pretty good to me... They actually have pictures of priests and habited nuns. And they offer theology, not just philosophy.

[Cow of Shame]

SSPX?

[Maria]

T.A.C. is wonderful, but it's all liberal arts, so afterwards you'd have to go somewhere else.

[Snarf]

Notre Dame turned me down because I'm from Indiana (and had bad grades), Boston College accepted me because I'm from Indiana.

I'm guessing that those two haven't been mentioned because they're brooding grounds for liberalilsm and hedonism. So what? It opens your mind, and temptation only makes you stronger. Furthermore, they'll land a much higher salary than any other Catholic school.

SETH, RADIX MALORUM CUPIDITAS EST!!!

I know, I know. But you could use the extra digits in your income to give to charity and spread the word.

[Theoketos]

Really, Benedictine College is still your best choice:

Orthodox Theology Program.

Flourishing intellectual enviroment.

And dynamic faith life.

[Catholictothecore]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 2 2005, 06:20 PM']Best Catholic college in close proximity is Benedictine College.
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This is where I am going next fall as a four year theater arts major.

[Cam42]

[quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Oct 7 2005, 12:25 AM']SSPX?
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Schismatic and not to be trusted in Catholic education. End of story.

[MilesChristi]

[quote] Boston College accepted me because I'm from Indiana.

I'm guessing that those two haven't been mentioned because they're brooding grounds for liberalilsm and hedonism. [/quote]

I get the impression that Notre Dame is gradually getting better. Their new president actually mentioned "Ex Corde Ecclesiae" in his inaugural speech.

I go to Boston College, and sadly I must agree that there is a lot of dissent, liberalism, and bad theology present here. However, there is a sizeable minority of orthodox, devout Catholics as well. We meet every week for adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, Confession, and the Rosary, with dinner and a theological discussion afterwards. Last night there was an awesome lecture with Father Norris Clarke and Peter Kreeft on mankind as frontier being and microcosm. Tomorrow, we're going to be holding a prayer vigil in front of an abortion clinic nearby.

Anyhow...we're not [i]all[/i] cafeteria Catholics here at BC.