Proof that there is no God

[Semalsia]

I'm just wondering... Is there any thing you can think of that would convince you of there being no God? Or is everything explainable?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Actually, it is a dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church that the existence of God can be known from the created world by the light of human reason. This was defined in the document [i]Dei Filius[/i] from the Vatican I Council.

[Semalsia]

Um, so is that a no?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 10 2005, 04:59 PM']Um, so is that a no?
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Well, you're kinda asking two questions. The answer to the first is no. Nothing could convince me that there is no God. I believe it with all my being.

The answer to the second is also no. Not everything is explainable...but everying has an explanation...we just can't comprehend it all.

[Semalsia]

[quote]Nothing could convince me that there is no God.[/quote]

Even those things that contradict the catholic dogma?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 10 2005, 05:21 PM']Even those things that contradict the catholic dogma?
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There is no such thing.

[Semalsia]

Hm, I think I understand it now. Thanks.

[Brother Adam]

To state that there is no absolute truth would in fact be making a statement of absolute truth in itself, therefore I believe in absolute truths.

If there is a such thing as absolute truth that means conclusively some things will be truth and others error. Therefore it is possible that the existance of God could be a truth to which there is no way to adequately show that there is no God.

I happen to accept the fact that all evidence shows the absolute truth that there is a God, and therefore it is impossible to prove that there is no God.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 10 2005, 05:51 PM']To state that there is no absolute truth would in fact be making a statement of absolute truth in itself, therefore I believe in absolute truths.

If there is a such thing as absolute truth that means conclusively some things will be truth and others error. Therefore it is possible that the existance of God could be a truth to which there is no way to adequately show that there is no God.

I happen to accept the fact that all evidence shows the absolute truth that there is a God, and therefore it is impossible to prove that there is no God.
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true, that - dawg

[kateri05]

what he said :

seriously tho, its impossible for anything to contradict dogma. that's why its dogma in the first place. God's divine mystery, revealed to us, that's dogma! :

[MC Just]

lol-

it is an impossibility to prove there is no GOD.

Such a question makes absolutely no sense.

[curtins]

wake up-

take a look around

something had to make it

[Guest JeffCR07]

Semalsia,

You may be interested in my perspective on the discussion, since it does not concern the issue of a cause for creation:

Because I accept as valid the ontological argument as formulated by St. Anselm of Canterbury, it follows for me, and for those like myself, that God cannot even be conceived of as non-existing.

As such, God cannot be "proven not to exist" precisely because any being which is capable of being shown to be non-existent is, by definition, not God.

[kateri05]

smarty pants :

[hierochloe]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 10 2005, 04:51 PM']I happen to accept the fact that all evidence shows the absolute truth that there is a God, and therefore it is impossible to prove that there is no God.
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Ditto.

[Guest JeffCR07]

[quote name='kateri05' date='Sep 10 2005, 10:53 PM']smarty pants :
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hahaha, I dunno what this guy is

but take that

[Semalsia]

[quote name='JeffCR07']As such, God cannot be "proven not to exist" precisely because any being which is capable of being shown to be non-existent is, by definition, not God.[/quote]

I'm not sure what that says about God.

What exactly is the ontological argument?

Edited September 12, 2005 by Semalsia

[dspen2005]

can u really prove that something doesn't exist? if the idea of God is present, then he does exist.... aka metaphysics.

[Semalsia]

Well this thread wasn't as much about proving God's non-existance as it was about understanding what would make you not believe in God. But I see now that it was a pretty silly question to ask. Like whether God not existing would make God non-existant or not.

[quote name='dspen2005']if the idea of God is present, then he does exist
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Care to explain that a bit?

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 10 2005, 04:51 PM']To state that there is no absolute truth would in fact be making a statement of absolute truth in itself, therefore I believe in absolute truths.

If there is a such thing as absolute truth that means conclusively some things will be truth and others error. Therefore it is possible that the existance of God could be a truth to which there is no way to adequately show that there is no God.

I happen to accept the fact that all evidence shows the absolute truth that there is a God, and therefore it is impossible to prove that there is no God.
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very good arguement...............i was argueing with melchisdec along time ago about proof that there is no god. I was talking about that there is no such thing as "non-existence". Can you honestly give an example of nothingness? you can percieve things that are non-existent. A good example would be unicorns. But the concept of unicorns is existent. Also if you think in terms of physical proofs........there is nothing that suggests that there is a such thing as nothingness. Air is definetly something. It is made mostly of nitrogen and oxygen............everywhere you look you will always find something whether it is through a telescope or a microscope. Existence stetches infinitely..........therefore we have no reason to believe in non-existence. You have the free-will choice to but you have no reason to back such a belief up. And like brother adam was saying..........this follows along the guidelines of absolute truths (in this case it would be absolute existence).