confession?

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

is ones confession invalidiated if one forgets to mention the freuqncy of which one committed sins?

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
9/11 - Twenty-fourth Sunday

If one forgets, no; if one deliberately withholds, then there might be a question. Also, remember that one does not need to attach a number with venial sins, just with mortal sins.

[Brother Adam]

Really? I was told you never have to give the number of times.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

mortal sins are supposed to be confessed in "kind and number" if I remember correctly

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i forgot.

i aslo recieved today..............

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Sep 11 2005, 09:11 AM']mortal sins are supposed to be confessed in "kind and number" if I remember correctly
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I'm quite curious now. I know I'm fine either way since any lack of numbers would have been in ignorance and the priest did not ask.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Sep 11 2005, 09:21 AM']i forgot.

i aslo recieved today..............
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you can't be held accountable for that which you honestly forgot or didn't know.

[Era Might]

[quote]A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess [b]in kind and in number[/b] all serious sins committed after baptism and not yet directly remitted through the keys of the Church nor acknowledge in individual confession, of which one is conscious after diligent examination of conscience.

--Code of Canon Law, #988[/quote]

If you forget to mention a mortal sin, you must mention it in your next confession. I'm not sure whether you would have to reconfess your sins if you forget to note the number (if you don't know exactly, it doesn't have to be an exact number; eg, you can say "about twice a year for 3 years").

I'd ask a Priest whether or not you need to reconfess.

Edited September 11, 2005 by Era Might

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
9/11 - Twenty-fourth Sunday
[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 11 2005, 09:21 AM']I'm quite curious now. I know I'm fine either way since any lack of numbers would have been in ignorance and the priest did not ask.
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Remember, too, that culpability for mortal sins is lessened when one considers things like addiction, compulsion, &c. Priests don't tend to ask because they think the penitent would know whether they incurred mortal guilt as a result of their sin - and this demonstrates my feeling that this assumption is poorly based. But yes, mortal sins must be confessed in number and kind, along with any mitigating circumstances that might lessen or increase guilt.

[Brother Adam]

I'll admit these 'rules and regulations' while for the best and appropriate tend to bother me a little bit, and I can certianly understand why people get very scrupolous scared to death that even though they had the intention of confessing appropriately and being forgiven, what if some 'rule' wasn't followed and Jesus really didn't forgive them.

I try to look towards the example our Lord gave of the prodigal son.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 11 2005, 12:39 PM']I'll admit these 'rules and regulations' while for the best and appropriate tend to bother me a little bit, and I can certianly understand why people get very scrupolous scared to death that even though they had the intention of confessing appropriately and being forgiven, what if some 'rule' wasn't followed and Jesus really didn't forgive them.

I try to look towards the example our Lord gave of the prodigal son.
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While one must gaurd against scrupulosity, the "rules and regulations" are for our good. I would hope that this is nothing more than a Protestant hangover. "Obey and submit to your leaders who have concern for your souls". The rules are there for our benefit. Not to be burdensome but to cause proper reflection on each serious sin. Also to help the priest in his counseling. If you had an arguement with your wife that ended in something physical once it is a different thing that if you have done it five times.

[Brother Adam]

You have completely misunderstood my post, but I understand. It has nothing to do with a "Protestant hangover". Instead of clarifying though, for the sake of others I will drop it.

[Maria]

Because one can get so concerned about making sure that they've confessed everything and wondering if they have and so if the confession is valid, etc., that they'll forget that [b][u]they have been forgiven[/u][/b]. One can get wrapped up in details to the point that of even impeding grace to take effect.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 11 2005, 12:39 PM']I'll admit these 'rules and regulations' while for the best and appropriate tend to bother me a little bit, and I can certianly understand why people get very scrupolous scared to death that even though they had the intention of confessing appropriately and being forgiven, what if some 'rule' wasn't followed and Jesus really didn't forgive them.

I try to look towards the example our Lord gave of the prodigal son.
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I apologize if I have misunderstood. PM me.

[Maria]

[url="http://adlimina.blogspot.com/2005/05/ad-liminas-scrupulosity-index.html"]http://adlimina.blogspot.com/2005/05/ad-li...sity-index.html[/url]

[Maria]

Oh, and read the comments as well.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Maria' date='Sep 11 2005, 02:28 PM']Oh, and read the comments as well.
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My apologies to Brother Adam for the Protestant Hangover comment. Though not intended to be offensive I can see where it was. It was uncalled for. I have the utmost respect for BA and his walk toward and in the Catholic faith inspires me.

God bless

Edited September 12, 2005 by thessalonian

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i think that i toke communion in a state of mortal sin by accident

i need to go to confession agian

[Fides_et_Ratio]

a person cannot be in a state of mortal sin "by accident". by its very definition mortal sin is intentional (i.e., FULL knowledge and FULL consent of the will).

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

what if ur not sure?

lets take it step by step

i went to confession on saturday

i was in the confessional and i didn't know if one sin i had written down was mortal or not. and i was also embarressed to say it so i ommited. i also forgot to confess my mortal sins in number..... and than i recieved communion after coming late to mass. Today i think (if i wasn't already) got myself into mortal sin.

is cursing a mortal sin?
how about bieng disrespectful to ones parents?
lying?
being mean nasty and uncharitabile in general?

i must know


Dominus Vobiscum,
sam

Edited September 12, 2005 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus