Possible Debate

[Laudate_Dominum]

I want a one-on-one debate with someone like what phatcatholic and LitteLes are doing, but I can't think of who to ask.

Are there any non-Catholics (of any type) who would be interested in a little debate?

Oh, and I don't want to debate anything boring which rules out most of the rad trad issues.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I'll debate with you that green is superior to red.

[popestpiusx]

I'll debate you on something or other. What will it be?

[Sarah_JC]

Red is superior to green. Ask any 1st grader.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Sep 12 2005, 11:10 AM']I'll debate you on something or other.  What will it be?
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hahaha!!

Hmm.. I'm thinking...

[thessalonian]

That is why I don't post much on this debate board. The protestants in general run from Catholic debate boards leaving them rather boring.

[Laudate_Dominum]

"not a single heretic can step to this" - MC Just

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 12 2005, 10:59 AM']I'll debate with you that green is superior to red.
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But green is superior to red, doesn't everyone know that? How could you debate such an obvious truth, what chance would your opponant have?

[hierochloe]

Well red light does have a longer wavelength than green, would that make it better?

[Aloysius]

When God created the world He looked at it and saw that it was good, that all creation is good.

Man is the greatest of all of God's creation. He is made in the imagio dei, the image of God. He alone amongst all creatures has the capacity for reason, self reflection, and he alone has as his ultimate destiny to know, love, and serve almighty God experiencing Him through the beatific vision and being infused with grace and ultimately deified by partaking in Christ's body and blood.

Man is not created with any green substance of his own nature (other than certain boogers that pop up here and there, not enough to make a point). Nor was the Greatest Man who ever lived, Jesus Christ. Man has red blood flowing through his viens. Jesus Christ had red blood flowing through His veins. And though some old liturgical books allowed for white wine, most wine that is transubstantiated into Christ's body, blood, soul, and divinity, including the very wine Christ Himself used at the last supper, has been red wine.

Moreover, Jesus Christ being the absolute perfect man, probably never even got green boogers.

Therefore it is obvious, red must be better. God chose it for the lifeblood of His greatest creation. When He incarnated Himself he allowed the color red to flow through Him in the most intimate relationship any color ever had with the creator. And ultimately, He chose something of the color red to use in the redemtpion of the Human race.

[hierochloe]

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I don't find fault with your case except in this point. Some people do have the most beautiful green eyes.

[infinitelord1]

lets debate the pros and cons of democrat and republican

[infinitelord1]

i would really like to debate about the bible and evolution too........i have my own personal theories about how the bible may actually talk about evolution.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Sep 12 2005, 11:54 AM']That is why I don't post much on this debate board.  The protestants in general run from Catholic debate boards leaving them rather boring.
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yea protestant arguements vs. catholic arguements would be a good one.

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 12 2005, 10:56 AM']"not a single heretic can step to this" - MC Just
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As a material heretic, I will debate you on something if the following conditions are met:

1. I can ask others else where for help in research-many know more than I, though that would not disregard the need for my own research.

2. I am not required to know any Latin and only minimal Greek or Ancient Hebrew/Aramaic reference would be required.

3. It is not a matter of simple morality-such things are generally clear and can get tiresome if it’s one topic for a long time

4. Early posts do not exceed approximately 550 words until/unless such a length is over the course of several posts developed in response to then posts material. This is stated as a result of an attempted debate with a somewhat overwhelming first post by the opposing side and as such was one that I found overly challenging to reasonably and sufficiently respond to in a reasonable or agreed upon time.

5. If texts of the Catholic Bible not occurring in the Protestant version of the Bible are used it is only for minimal use as that does put me at something of a disadvantage being myself unfamiliar with them.

6. Significant Scripture references deal more in the New Testament than the Old.

7. It is not a significant or common matter of eschatology.

8. I shall have up to approximately three weeks between posts with four possible if exceptionally busy and assuming an average of one to two weeks for my part.

9. In response to requirement 8, it may be understood that such a debate may take a little while.

11. You are to propose an idea which I would be willing to debate and which is a matter of significance or interest.

12. After deciding on a topic, you propose and we shall discuss and agree upon how the debate shall be opened. Matters such as duration of the debate may be discussed later.

13. Proceeding these decisions, there shall be a two weeks before the debate begins so that we, and particularly I as I have had far less theological education, may have time to do some general research on the topic.

14. The nature of the debate, despite the format and restrictions, shall be considered more of a discussion than a full on debate-unless you defending total pacifism even with regards to the defense of others.

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[Dreamweaver]

I believe that green is superior to red. Look at how God has adorned the trees, grasses, prairies, and bushes of the world! Clothed in remarkable green leaves. Even the ponds full of pond scum are a deep green color. Adam and Eve, realizing their nakedness, chose to cover themselves with green.

[Aloysius]

since not everyone has green eyes, and some have blue or brown, and since every man is of equal dignity, this in fact places green as equal to blue and brown but in no way shows it as superior to red.

dreamweaver, two points of rebuttal

first, man is the climax of creation created in the image of God, trees are only there for the sake of man, therefore colors God chose to use on man must be better than colors He chose for others.

second, they didn't cover themselves in green until after the fall. therefore this green is shame and deficiency in nature.

next I will advance another argument

in ancient mysticism and throughout much of the bible, veils are seen as something to protect something inherently good and sacred. the redness of blood can be said to be veiled by the layer of flesh skin, as such this redness is better.

green things in creation, like flesh things, are exposed out in the open. God did not protect them as sacred only to be spilled in the most serious event of injury or death. God let them out to be subject to the view of any passer by and to all the elements of storms and weather et cetera.

[journeyman]

Even with all those conditions, you're a better man than I, Gunga Din

[quote name='Light and Truth' date='Sep 13 2005, 06:14 PM']As a material heretic, I will debate you on something if the following conditions are met:


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Just ask for an internet citation to the books with which you are not familiar - most of the Catholic Bibles are on line full text


[quote name='Light and Truth' date='Sep 13 2005, 06:14 PM']5. If texts of the Catholic Bible not occurring in the Protestant version of the Bible are used it is only for minimal use as that does put me at something of a disadvantage being myself unfamiliar with them.

6. Significant Scripture references deal more in the New Testament than the Old.


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[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Sep 13 2005, 04:51 PM']When God created the world He looked at it and saw that it was good, that all creation is good.

Man is the greatest of all of God's creation.  He is made in the imagio dei, the image of God.  He alone amongst all creatures has the capacity for reason, self reflection, and he alone has as his ultimate destiny to know, love, and serve almighty God experiencing Him through the beatific vision and being infused with grace and ultimately deified by partaking in Christ's body and blood.

Man is not created with any green substance of his own nature (other than certain boogers that pop up here and there, not enough to make a point).  Nor was the Greatest Man who ever lived, Jesus Christ.  Man has red blood flowing through his viens.  Jesus Christ had red blood flowing through His veins.  And though some old liturgical books allowed for white wine, most wine that is transubstantiated into Christ's body, blood, soul, and divinity, including the very wine Christ Himself used at the last supper, has been red wine.



Moreover, Jesus Christ being the absolute perfect man, probably never even got green boogers.

Therefore it is obvious, red must be better.  God chose it for the lifeblood of His greatest creation.  When He incarnated Himself he allowed the color red to flow through Him in the most intimate relationship any color ever had with the creator.  And ultimately, He chose something of the color red to use in the redemtpion of the Human race.
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Blood is not really red until it has been shed, which isn't really a good thing. And as hierochloe said what of green eyes. This doesn't even begin to concider that green is obviously the Fathers favorite color almost all life is dependent on it.

[Aloysius]

What of my other points? I already rebutted the green eye argument

[colore=red]red[/color] blood cells are the main blood cells in the body. as such it can still be said to be basically red tgo its essence.

as to green, see my other post about the veil and sacredness and how green is so out-in-the-open

lol