The papacy

[thessalonian]

Your debating Catholics again about orthodox theology. I am proposing to the board that you be removed. You have been suspended for this behavior before and persist in it. This board should not be for Catholics who persist in public heresy.

[LittleLes]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Sep 15 2005, 01:19 PM']Your debating Catholics again about orthodox theology.  I am proposing to the board that you be removed.  You have been suspended for this behavior before and persist in it.  This board should not be for Catholics who persist in public heresy.
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RESPONSE:

You are a little confused here. I'm told by a good Catholic on this board that I'm an "apostate." If I'm an apostate, I'm not Catholic, so there is no problem with me debating Catholics on this board.

On the other hand, if you as a Catholic are challenging the Catholic who stated that I was an apostate, you, not I, a humble apostate, are in violation of board rules.

See how absurd this becomes. :

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Enough with the semantics - debate already or this thread is over.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Sep 15 2005, 01:56 PM']RESPONSE:

You are a little confused here.  I'm told by a good Catholic on this board that I'm an "apostate." If I'm an apostate, I'm not Catholic, so there is no problem with me debating Catholics on this board.

On the other hand,  if you as a Catholic are challenging the Catholic who stated that I was an apostate, you, not I, a humble apostate, are in violation of board rules.

See how absurd this becomes. :
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Your intellect is truly dizzying. There is no humility in you that I have seen. The humble subit to the Church. You submit to your wicked lies that bring about destruction on yourself and the unsuspecting. You claim Catholicism. Therefore you should be banned for your persistent countering and underming of Catholic dogma.

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[LittleLes]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Sep 15 2005, 03:06 PM']Your intellect is truly dizzying.   There is no humility in you that I have seen.  The humble subit to the Church.  You submit to your wicked lies that bring about destruction on yourself and the unsuspecting.    You claim Catholicism.  Therefore you should be banned for your persistent countering and underming  of Catholic dogma.
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RESPONSE:

What I am doing is separating fact and fiction in Catholicism.

For example, scripture, tradition, and the Church all teach that the earth is fixed on its foundations by God and cannot be moved.

Ps 104:5 "You fixed the earth on its foundation, never to be moved."

From the Holy Office: "The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action, is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically considered, at least erroneous in faith."

So, I'm afraid that if you believe that the earth moves, you are in heresy.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Sep 15 2005, 04:19 PM']RESPONSE:

What I am doing is separating  fact and fiction in Catholicism.

For example, scripture, tradition, and the Church all teach that the earth is fixed on its foundations by God and cannot be moved.

Ps 104:5  "You fixed the earth on its foundation, never to be moved."

From the Holy Office: "The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action, is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically considered, at least erroneous in faith."

So, I'm afraid that if you believe that the earth moves, you are in heresy.
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Ah lester the doctrine molester goes for an obscure statement, no context, by the Holy Office. The above statement was not dogma.
You call infallibility, the assumption, and many other dogmas fiction! You undermine them and put yourself as a little god with your damnable heresy. You have no right within the Church to do so. You hate the truth and exchange it for a lie. You must be banned for yoru sake as for the boards. You are a viper. If you don't like what the Church teaches do us a favor and get the hell out. If the mods wish to reprimand me for my stiff opposition to a twister and distorter of scripture that is their perogative. Ban the fool or ban me.

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[LittleLes]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Sep 15 2005, 04:26 PM']Ah lester the doctrine molester goes for an obscure statement, no context, by the Holy Office.  The above statement was not dogma.
You call infallibility, the assumption, and many other dogmas fiction!  You undermine them and put yourself as a little god with your damnable heresy.  You have no right within the Church to do so.  You hate the truth and exchange it for a lie.  You must be banned for yoru sake as for the boards.  You are a viper.  If you don't like what the Church teaches do us a favor and get the hell out.  If the mods wish to reprimand me for my stiff opposition to a twister and distorter of scripture that is their perogative. Ban the fool or ban me.
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RESPONSE:

(1) I'm afraid that the earth not moving was indeed once dogma by way of the constant teaching of the ordinary universal magisterium and the infallible teaching that the Church always interpreted scripture correctly. Those doubting this were heretics. As was Galileo. Read what he was charged with and why.

(2) But notice that what was once heresy is now orthodoxy. Unless you want to continue to maintain that the earth does not move.

(3) Aren't you calling for me to burned at the stake, too? As a good Catholic you once had to believe - under pain of excommunication - that the burning of heretics was the will of the Holy Spirit. See #33 of Exsurge domine. But now that teaching too has changed. See Lumen Gentium #16.

(4) Perhaps you should rethink what the Church is actually teaching these days. But, keep in mind, if you are convinced that a particular teaching is in error, you may not in good conscience accept it. Many have difficulty recognizing that this too is a teaching.

[thessalonian]

[quote]3) Aren't you calling for me to burned at the stake, too?  [/quote]

Ah the good old days.

Moderaters kick this fool of these boards. He openly and blatantly blasphemes the Church. He has no conscience. As long as he persists in his error and continues to underming the official teachings of the Church as a lester (to be confussed with lesser) god, he is wicked and to be shunned. Allow him to no longer post his wickedness and deciet.

[thessalonian]

[quote](4) Perhaps you should rethink what the Church is actually teaching these days.  But, keep in mind, if you are convinced that a particular teaching is in error, you may not in good conscience accept it. Many have difficulty recognizing that this too is a teaching.  [/quote]

Justify your wicked lies and distortions of the faith all you like. May God have mercy on your wicked soul for suggesting that myself and others should be party to your hatred of the truth. The conscience the Church speaks of is not the conscience of the wicked that are not submissive and that neglect proper formation. YOU NEED TO BE BANNED!

[LittleLes]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Sep 15 2005, 05:43 PM']Justify your wicked lies and distortions of the faith all you like.  May God have mercy on your wicked soul for suggesting that myself and others should be party to your hatred of the truth.  The conscience the Church speaks of is not the conscience of the wicked that are not submissive and that neglect proper formation.    YOU NEED TO BE BANNED!
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RESPONSIVE:

Are you saying that if one is not "submissive" that is, he doesn't believe and do everything he's told, he's "wicked"?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Sep 15 2005, 05:57 PM']RESPONSIVE:

Are you saying that if one is not "submissive"  that is, he doesn't  believe and do everything he's told, he's "wicked"?
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Drop the act. We all know that is not why, and even if you say it a thousand times more, it wont change a thing.

You are simply wrong. Plain and simple.

[phatcatholic]

Les................do you believe in any of the distinctly catholic doctrines? a simple yes or no answer will suffice

--Real Presence in the Eucharist
--Immaculate Conception of Mary
--Perpetual Virginity of Mary
--Intercession of the Saints
--Purgatory
--Mortal and Venial Sin
--Indulgences
--Sacramental Confession
--Ministerial Priesthood
--Anointing of the Sick
--Sacrament of Confirmation

if not, why in the world are you a catholic? why do you even call yourself one? why not run along and be a protestant? please answer all of these questions.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[phatcatholic]

bump

(did les get banned?)

[Laudate_Dominum]

On a side note, after defining the dogma of the Assumption of Our Lady:

"45. Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, [b]let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith[/b]."
- [i]Munificentissimus Deus[/i], Pope Pius XII

Rome has spoken.

And this is nothing compared to all of the anathemas Les has incurred during his little masturbatory campaign on phatmass.

Lord have mercy..

[phatcatholic]

is he still here?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 17 2005, 08:13 AM']is he still here?
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haven't seen him. Hopefully he's off in some cave, den or mountain top doing penance whilst perpetually praying the Jesus prayer.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 17 2005, 08:21 AM']haven't seen him. Hopefully he's off in some cave, den or mountain top doing penance whilst perpetually praying the Jesus prayer.
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we can certainly hope

actually, that reminds me........

*nick runs off to his mountain top